So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
@CassandraSays
I’ve answered question after question. None of you can even answer one of my questions with anything but snark. At least I now know the meaning of a troll. Or more to the point, an entire site devoted to troll’s.
Got shit ta do. Cyas.
It took me FOREVER to realize that Christina Hendricks was the same person as Saffron in Firefly. I’ve finally realized why: in all the pictures I’ve seen, they’ve made her look *taller*.
Aw, look, he ran away with his tail between his legs again.
Spear, what NWOslave said to you earlier was pretty terrible. I’m sorry. : /
Screwed up the tags. It was only a matter of time, I guess.
Cite?
Yeah, seriously. Hugs if and only if you want them, Spear.
nthing the hugs/prayers/good vibes offers to Spear. There are days when I want to resign from humanity…
Warm vibes of support and affection to you, Spear. 🙂
Liar!
How is one supposed to answer “You would totally like it if you got raped!” How do you respond to that?
“The conversation has moved on past the video. We’re now discussing, well I’m being told that men and women are the same and have indentical sexualities. I disagree, making me a misogynist.”
But I’m sure your mighty male brain can still answer this question. And it’s not like it’s a silly question, we ask you if you endorse girl on boy rape, as a way to compensate girl on boy assault.
And we answered all your questions. The best we could at least, given that we sometimes disagree with tings implied in the question.
When some guys say they would be happy if a woman raped them, I think it’s the same cause as the belief that they’d welcome sexual harassment. They imagine it being from someone they think is attractive. The scenario they imagine is fantasy they have full control over. It’s a lot different than actually having someone force themselves upon you.
Also, honestly, in Slavey’s case I think he finds the idea that it could ever happen ludicrous, so he thinks he’s dealing with a pure hypothetical. Hard to feel threatened by something you don’t think could ever happen to you.
I know the feeling, but we can at least imagine the existence of a Decent Human Beings Club, from which NWOslave has long been disbarred for his manifold offences against civility.
*Xanthean hugs are freely offered to Spear for his taking should he desire it, who didn’t deserve what that vile shite directed at him.*
Kyrie, I think there’s at least two possible answers for that in Asimov’s canon but the one I believe you want is Prelude to Foundation – the mathematician is the young Hari Seldon (except he’s not on his home world, but in a sector of Trantor).
“Kyrie, I think there’s at least two possible answers for that in Asimov’s canon but the one I believe you want is Prelude to Foundation – the mathematician is the young Hari Seldon (except he’s not on his home world, but in a sector of Trantor).”
Yes, that would be the one. I have a terrible memory.
The man I was thinking about was Yugo Amaryl, but maybe I’m wrong.
Honestly, I think he likes to post here because he actually gets to interact with females and discuss his rape fantasies. Neither of which probably happen much at his usual MRA hangouts.
Seriously, every post he writes is like a super-condensed can of stupid, juvenile stereotypes about human sexuality and gender, which he apparently cobbled together from some unholy combination of church, a lifetime of inexperience, and misanthropic crap he reads on MRA forums. The amount of sheer bullshit that man can pack into a few sentences is… it’s kind of astonishing, really.
“every post he writes is like a super-condensed can of stupid, juvenile stereotypes about human sexuality and gender, which he apparently cobbled together from some unholy combination of church, a lifetime of inexperience, and misanthropic crap he reads on MRA forums”
This is one of the perverse reasons I can’t look away from the MRA trainwreck. It’s all the horrible stuff in our culture exaggerated to the Nth power!
She would need to envelope him, according to the NWO. Hmm, I’m fairly sure USPS would have some sort of policy against sending penises through regular mail.
NWOslave, you asked again, “If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?” Again, a man could become aroused by something other that women and then have sexual intercourse with a woman.
Then you asked two more questions, “Do you promote men being sexually irresponsible?
Do you promote women being sexually irresponsible?” No, to both questions, though I suspect that we may have radically different understanding of what it means to be sexually irresponsible. Perhaps I could give a more complete answers if you were to define the parameters you are using to define sexual irresponsibility in that set of questions.
Now, as to my question to you, the question you answered is not the one I asked. The scenario I was describing was one in which you would not be able to choose the sex of the individual raping you, a point that is integral to the fact that it was a rape I was describing. So I put the choice to you again. Imagine that some one with more physical power than you is sodomizing you against your will, it hurts, it is terrifying, but there is nothing you can do. Now imagine a person you are sexually attracted to flirts with you, appears to be initiating a sexually encounter, only to call it off right when you are most aroused. Would you rather endure the first scenario than the second? Would you wish the first scenario on the person in the second scenario for that person’s part in the second scenario?
“This statement is the epitome of how far removed from reality modern day women have become.”
Women masturbating is are removed from reality???
Joanna: nah, women masturbating with *cocks* is a delusion. Because strap-ons don’t exist.
I don’t think that’s what he said. I think he meant trans women (referred to by NWO as ‘zie creature’) who didn’t underwent genital surgery either don’t exist, or more probably should not be called women.
Not defending him though, but I think that was transphobia rather than misogyny .
@Molly: also a good possibility
I really want to know (or actually don’t) how NWO thinks “normal” sex works.
…And then, thuddingly, as I type this, I realize he doesn’t believe such a thing exists. I really don’t. I don’t think he knows how an ordinary couple on an ordinary Friday night get their wiggly bits together, or even believes that it happens. He’s got everything coded in terms of one kind of attack or another.
NWO is even worse and stranger than I thought and that’s saying very much.