So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
Incidentally, has anyone (other than NWO, inside his fantasy world) ever seen someone at the mall in a bikini? Are there, like, underwater malls somewhere? Because that kind of sounds cool, if it were a thing. Christmas shopping would be more fun if it involved waterslides.
Clearly, NWO stands for Newt Wholly Overcome…..
Hey, NWOslave, what are men attracted to sexually? Is this why they sometimes wear t-shirts with pictures of naked ladies on them?
@Polliwog: THere was a Raymond Carver short story about a young man working at a grocery store in a resort town, and two young women come in after a day at the beach to buy mustard and the older guys leer, and the young guy stands up for them, and he gets fired (he’s from working class family in town), and the girls don’t even know about it.
And he’s fired.
And clearly it’s all their fault. They’re wearing what Newt W.O. would probably call a bikini.
And it’s also you know FICTION.
@ithiliana
“@NWO, no, really srs, we don’t need technology. Don’t you know we collect men’s penises and keep them in boxes to use?”
A typical answer from those indoctrinated when confronted with the truth.
I’m off, got stuff to do.
My question still stands for any who can answer in a coherent logical fashion. Since the only answer of any truth would be women couldn’t reproduce. Therefore, a womans sexual control is in her ability to not sexually arouse men.
Newt W.O.: Watch out for big heavy stompy boots, dude!
“Porn is still women. Pictures of naked women.”
You can make porn of chicken if you find them sexy. Or tentacle on chicken porn. Or you can wank at the mere idea of something you like, even if it’s not real. Or you can draw thing that are arousing for you or other. For example, believe it or not but that:
http://tinyurl.com/7g8chdv
is not an actual woman.
“But if I use your answer you’re at least admitting the truth. A womans sexuality is her ability to arouse a man thru dressing, or not dressing and acting sexually.”
No, I’m not admitting that. A woman sexuality is what she likes and what she does sexually, just like a man.
Would you rather be aroused or raped?
And just in case that’s not clear, “what she does sexually” == “the sexual acts she does”
Newt W.O really doesn’t understand the distinction between:
sex
gender
sexuality
sexual orientation
gender presentation
Or the concept of agency.
What arouses any individual man no doubt differs widely (and sometimes it will be MENZ) (and maybe sometimes NEWTS), ditto women, so this idea that there’s some universal (and the way he keeps slipping between plural and singular form but still clearly meaning a generic universal is wacky weird) way of blaming women for arousing men…I just don’t know.
Do you think it’s because of those years spent as a newt?
(Did I mention I was grading papers all today and will be going to afternoon commencement?? I have and will be).
So, when a woman and a man have sex with a condom, that’s not sexual?
Honestly, artificial insemination is not that complicated. And from what I heard (though for obvious reason I never witnessed it) most men are able to ejaculate without seeing naked women.
You got that half-right — humans wouldn’t be able to reproduce.
(With 7 billion of us on the planet and the fertility rate still above replacement levels I strongly believe we as a species should be choosing to have fewer children if we’re not going to face ecological disaster in the next few decades — but not every act of sexual intercourse is intended, or indeed anywhere remotely likely, to result in conceiving an embryo. Sex =/= procreation.)
Sorry if this has been covered before but I had to respond to NWOslave.
NWOslave, you asked, “If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?” A man could become aroused by something other that women and then have sexual intercourse with a woman.
Now, I having answered that, you say, “Ya know rape isn’t the only sexual crime. Wanton sexual teasing is just as bad.” but I do not think that you have considered what being raped would feel like. I have no idea what your physical abilities are, but imagine that some one with more physical power than you is sodomizing you against your will, it hurts, it is terrifying, but there is nothing you can do. Now imagine a person you are sexually attracted to flirts with you, appears to be initiating a sexually encounter, only to call it off right when you are most aroused. Would you rather endure the first scenario than the second? Would you wish the first scenario on the person in the second scenario for that person’s part in the second scenario?
This has just been… unbelievable.
Really?
Really?!?!
NWO is the living embodiment of the expression “don’t wrestle with pigs.” Because there’s a serious discussion going on about whether an 11/12 year old girl in Capri pants is dressed “slutty”‘and posters are referring to those horrible little girls in the YouTube video as “women”.
What the fuck?
Utterly age appropriate clothing that just happens not to hang like a sack off the body of an adolescent girl and we’re knee-deep in the revolting, fetid swamp of NWO’s repugnant belief that arousal and rape are the same thing. Once again we have to see children, younger than teenagers sexualized by this fucked up asshole.
NWO, the next time your work buddies are over your at your house, laughing uproariously while you post on this site, why don’t you ask them if they’re offended by how sexy the eight year olds on the beach are in their one piece swim suits. Ask them if they’re feel assaulted because the twelve year olds at the local middle school are always arousing them in their pedal pushers and mall bikinis.
Even if we were to accept the argument that sexuality for women is about persuading men to fuck us, rather than anything that we get out of the fucking itself, self-control for me would then consist of not going around actively hitting on men. You know that women can do that, right, Slavey? That I could actually walk up to a man and start flirting and then say “let’s have sex” or “wanna have sex?”. Sometimes I see men I find attractive and kind of want to do that, but in most cases I don’t because it would be inapproriate for one reason or another. That right there is a woman exercising control over her sexuality, even if you’re defining her sexuality purely as “make men fuck me so that I can have babies”.
I’ve been asking him that over and over again. He doesn’t seem to want to answer.
No, NWO.
A woman’s sexuality is when she spends an hour eating a girl out to a slow, shuddering climax and there aren’t even men involved.
A woman’s sexuality is when she look up pictures of cute boys buttfucking each other, or hot men with their shirt off.
A woman’s sexuality is when she sticks her hand down her pants and finger-fucks herself or rubs her clit (or, hell, her cock) until she comes, pussy juice dripping down her hand.
A woman’s sexuality is when she comes due to how good it feels to have a man inside her.
A woman’s sexuality is anything that gets her off, same as a man’s.
Happening slang. HAPPENING SLANG.
I’ll admit, a teenager I ma not. But I’m in my mid-twenties, so I like to think that I’m at least semi-up-to-date on the common slang my community uses to describe itself. And “clam diver” is not something that I have ever heard used seriously.
In my day, Linds, it was muff divers, which captures some of the same flavour, so perhaps Arks isn’t exactly being accurate about his age.
ozy: I’m trying really hard to get why my comments would the ones making NWO shudder. As I read yours, I get nothing. That was… very graphical.
That’s some groovy happening slang, man. Far out!
@Fatman
“I have no idea what your physical abilities are, but imagine that some one with more physical power than you is sodomizing you against your will, it hurts, it is terrifying, but there is nothing you can do.”
Sodomy isn’t hetrosexual rape. Being gay is simply something that’s being promoted as acceptable. I have endure gay pride parades. This is State sanctioned promotion, as well as the tolerance brigade indoctrinating children in schools.
For a woman to rape a man, she’d need to sexually arouse him and then, as the saying goes around here, envelope him. So in answer to your question, would I rather be sexually aroused then frustrated, or sexually aroused and sexed up. I’ll take the second half please.
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@Spearhafoc
You also posed the same question, which I’ll let you answer yourself.
Would you rather have some girl come over your house, sexually arouse you then up and leave?
Would you rather have some girl come over your house, sexually arouse you, envelope you without consent until you orgasm, and then leave?
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@ozymandias42
“A woman’s sexuality is when she sticks her hand down her pants and finger-fucks herself or rubs her clit (or, hell, her cock) until she comes, pussy juice dripping down her hand.”
This statement is the epitome of how far removed from reality modern day women have become. A woman playing with her cock.
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@CassandraSays
“That I could actually walk up to a man and start flirting and then say “let’s have sex” or “wanna have sex?”.
And unless you sexually arouse him, good old PIV sex ain’t gonna happen. A womans ability to sexually arouse a man is her sexuality. You can “want” any particular man but unless you sexually arouse him no sex can take place.
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I never said rape and sexual teasing/frustration were the same. What I said was, and please mark this down in your book of larnin.
A man who rapes by his actions is being sexually irresponsible.
A woman who sexually arouses men by her actions is being sexually irresponsible.
Both are detrimental to society as a whole. You promote one form of irresponsibility, while condeming the other form of irresponsibility. I promote neither.
NWO answered me!….
….with complete WTFery, but still!
Also good to know that if only I’d worn a parka every day for my entire life I’d have the right to complain about unwanted sexual advances. If only my mother had thought to dress me in one from birth! I should remember that in case my baby turns out to be a girl.
NWO, you are a stone-cold old-fashioned misogynist.
The first one. Without a fucking doubt, you sick fuck.