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The False Rape Society is shocked — shocked! — by a fraternity’s “who would you rape?” survey.

The False Rape Society is shocked and stunned that frat boys would joke about rape.

So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)

Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.

First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:

I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.

Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.

Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:

Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.

Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.

With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:

There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident

This what incident?

and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a  “rape culture.”

Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”

A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey.  Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison.  It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.

This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.

Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!

Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”

We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.

An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:

I do not condemn this action,

in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.

It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.

When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.

But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:

By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.

I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.

So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”

Got it.

EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.

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Molly Ren
9 years ago

“The pschological outlook of society as a whole is disturbed and nihilistic.”

Is this where NWOslave gets stuff like “therapy” and “zeitgeist” mixed up?

hellkell
hellkell
9 years ago

The world’s going to hell in a handbasket, and I feel womantastic, NWO. ALL HAIL THE GYNOCRACY.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

I can’t seem to shake the feeling that NWOSlave will spend Christmas refreshing man boobz threads to tell us what evil whores we are instead of, you know, celebrating the holiday with loved ones.

zhinxy
9 years ago

How are most laws written by women? Also, I know I can’t REALLY be an anarchist because apparently without a State there can’t be abortions, and I’m pro-choice.. But seriously, why can’t you answer a simple tax question?

Our school system is a total failure. – Okay, here. This one should be simple. Are you for tax-supported government schooling? Was there ever a time when it worked? If so, how did women ruin it? Or just skip those questions and give me a yes or no on taxes?

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Molly: Yeah. Therapists are stigmatized for everyone (yay ableism!). But according to the studies I’ve read men are far more likely to see therapy as an option if they’re depressed, possibly because they feel it would make them weak or unmanly. 🙁

I wish NWO would stop jizzing his thoughts all over actual problems. Can’t you just stick to the horrible injustice of women wearing clothes?

zhinxy
9 years ago

It’s pretty damn bonkers to go around claiming women (somehow way more than men) are using the violence of the State, when you won’t even say whether or not that’s a bad or good thing, dude, or whether youd use it for your society too.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Tell me.
Is our school system humming along at breakneck efficiency?
How’s the pschological outlook of society as a whole?
The State/economy looking pretty good?

Women do dominate all these area’s.
I mean let’s be honest.
How’s it lookin?

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

area’s

Again, you do not put apostrophes in a word when you pluralise it, only when it’s a contraction of ” is” (say, “This pizza’s hot” is short for “This pizza is hot”) or if you’re implying a relationship of possession with the following word (say, “the cat’s paw”).

I’m not making fun of you, just pointing out a problem with the intention of helping you avoid making the same mistake in the future.

I’m not even claiming I’m doing it solely for your benefit. Seeing a mistake like that bothers my pedantic nature. I have to stop, read it again, and correct the problem in my head. It’s sort of like translating a language. It takes time out of reading the rest of your posts. So if you could avoid improper apostrophes, I’d appreciate it. Thanks.

Joanna
9 years ago

You do realize that teachers don’t run the education system right?

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@ozymandias42

No, the #1 response by boys is, “What’s the point?” There is none.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

NWO, I can say without a doubt your thoughts are truly seminal.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

Would it kill him to cite his motherfucking sources?

zhinxy
9 years ago

Okay, I think the school system is broken root and branch. I don’t believe in state schooling (Which is not necessarily the same as not being for public schooling, but I digress) –

Read Gatto here, it’s the best.

I am for self-directed supervised learning.

As for the State, I told you, I’m against it. It can’t possibly look good in my view, to be honest. But with NDAA having just passed, I do admit it keeps looking worse, and it could be a lot better. Also, are feminists to blame for NDAA??

As for the economy, it’s complicated, being the economy and all. I have a score of recommendations on this front.

Women do not dominate the state. If you want to say they do, you have to prove it.

And don’t just prove most women are statists. Most PEOPLE are statists. Libertarians and other anarchists and anti state types are a very, VERY tiny minority.

It looks awful. But it’s not more women’s fault than mens. And if you’re arguing that it is, I want data.

So pony up.

Joanna
9 years ago

Ozy: How does one cite one’s ass?

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Is our school system humming along at breakneck efficiency?

I can tell the school system let you down, NWOslave.

(Okay, that was me making fun of you.)

Also, I’d like to go back to the conversation about you thinking I’d enjoy being raped. I don’t quite think we fully hashed that one out. I’ll start with a question: What the fuck?

zhinxy
9 years ago

Joanna – Wev, I have a permanent wiki hyperlink citation on my own ass. It’s awesome.

Nobby
9 years ago

Yes, Ozy, it would. Actually having to have evidence of his assertions would bring his entire worldview crashing in on itself.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@Joanna
You’re telling me a union that powerful has nothing to say? Are there women higher up, they’re helpless as well? It’s time to woman up. You ladies are running the education show. If the system is failing, the finger must be pointed squarely on those who are failing.

I mean c’mon. You’re telling me women make up by far 90% of the school councilors, over 80% of the teachers, the majority of those in charge of the system itself and men are still to blame?

zhinxy
9 years ago

Well, see, the thing is, the argument isn’t “MEN ARE TO BLAME” vs. “WOMEN ARE TO BLAME” here in grown-up people land.

Joanna
9 years ago

NWO! School councilors and teachers don’t run the education system! The government does! I don’t know how ye do it in America but here we have our very own minister of education. Who’s a dude btw.

zhinxy
9 years ago

shorter and simpler – I think the schooling system in the US is too designed along a factory schooling model to ever succeed, regardless of whether men or women are in charge. We need a complete overhaul. In other words, it’s failing by nature, not by virtue of who is in charge or not. Does that make sense, whether you agree with me or not, as me not saying either MEN ARE TO BLAME, or that women are?

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@zhinxy

Ahhh. It’s the blame game when it’s beneficial to women. Gotcha.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Joanna – How Government Works in NWO land is still soemthing AI’m trying to tease out. I think he thinks it’s bad, but I’m not even sure about that?

zhinxy
9 years ago

NWO – What blame game?

Joanna
9 years ago

I’m annoyed. I blame NWO.

zhinxy
9 years ago

Also, taxes, YES OR NO? Can you just give me a clue as to why you won’t answer this question?

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Or it’s the blame game when you point fingers without bothering to consider the nuances (or, in your case, the basics) of the problem.

Spearhafoc
9 years ago

Ahhh. It’s the blame game when it’s beneficial to women. Gotcha.

Speak of blame, if a woman were to rape me, do you think she should go to prison? I certainly do.

Who’s really letting women off the hook here?

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Hey, you gals are running the show. The tyranny of the majority. Ask Hannah Rosin.

Nobby
9 years ago

Here’s an even easier question, NWO: why do you think ‘quota’s’ will be instituted for hard sciences come 2012? Any evidence? Anything besides the voices whispering from your ass?

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@zhinxy

Stop pretending to be anything but someone who want’s more government.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Learn to apostrophe, dude. You’re making yourself look foolish enough without piling shitty grammar on top of things.

Joanna
9 years ago

How can there be “more government”?

Nobby
9 years ago

NWO’s ass-voices are also psychic!

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

How can there be “more government”?

Because Big Daddy Title IX blah blah blah.*

*Citation: Ass, NWOSlave. Personal asspull. 18 December 2011.

See, NWO? I wrote up a citation just for you! Now you don’t even have to type it yourself.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

I mean c’mon. You’re telling me women make up by far 90% of the school councilors, over 80% of the teachers, the majority of those in charge of the system itself and men are still to blame?

Even if you can actually back up those stats, seriously? Teachers and councilors are in charge of the school system? Dude, they’re not even in charge of schools. (That would be administrators.)

Joanna
9 years ago

In case NWO gets all mad at me when I don’t respond later, I’m going to bed. Later, folks!

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@Joanna

22 million Guv employees. That sounds a tish excessive. That’s a lotta communist debt to place on the rest of us.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@Dracula

Awwww! Do women have no power? Is that what you’re telling me?

zhinxy
9 years ago

How am I pretending to be an Anarchist? ??

Heck of a charge, so, evidence?

?
please?

I gotta hear this?

Nobby
9 years ago

Weren’t you paying attention, zhinxy? “Citation: Ass, NWOSlave. Personal asspull. 18 December 2011.”

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

I said teachers and councilors don’t run schools. They don’t make policy decisions. Go on, read what I wrote, it’s right up there.

Nobby
9 years ago

But, Dracula, reading is a feminist conspiracy!

ozymandias42
9 years ago

NWO, I have prepared a deal!

There are four questions:
–Would you let Spear’s hypothetical rapist off the hook, and if so, why?
–What can women wear in order to not be sluts?
–Would there be taxes in your ideal utopia?
–What is one specific object, place, or activity that makes you happy?

In exchange for you answering these four questions, I will answer four questions of your choice and/or participate in the roleplay session of your choice.

Come on, dude. Can’t say fairer than that. Last opportunity to fulfill your therapist kink!

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

Title IXs official position on STEM

The exclusion of women and girls from STEM is not
only unlawful discrimination, it has significant implications
for our economy. Looking at a broad set of data trends, the
NSF governing board observed a “troubling decline in the
number of U.S. citizens who are training to become scientists
and engineers,” and warned that these trends “threaten the
economic welfare and security of our country.”102 The
United States outsources work to and imports scientists and
doctoral candidates from many countries in order to meet the
needs of American competitiveness and innovation, and

some worry that America’s military superiority and security
will suffer as a result of this reliance on foreign talent.”103
Fortunately, the United States has an untapped pool of
potential workers. If women and members of other traditionally
underrepresented groups, such as racial and ethnic
minorities and individuals with disabilities, joined the STEM
workforce in proportion to their representation in the overall
labor force, the shortage of skilled laborers in STEM could
be addressed.104 In addition, women, and especially women
who are also members of other groups traditionally underrepresented
in STEM, bring new perspectives and modes of investigation
to STEM fields and, consequently, grow America’s
capacity for innovation.105

Conclusion
The persistent discrimination against women and girls
in STEM, coupled with widespread concerns about American
competitiveness, demonstrate that enforcement of Title IX
in these fields is critical. Title IX can and must be used to
eliminate the barriers that still exist for girls and women pursuing
STEM programs. Proper enforcement of the law will
help to eliminate conduct or practices that disadvantage students
or employees on the basis of their gender, and create
conditions that allow women and girls the opportunity to succeed
in STEM fields.
—————-
First off women aren’t excluded from STEM, they simply haven’t earned it. Massive amounts of taxpayer funds are already spent on women, far and above what men recieve for education. What is this persistent discrimination in STEM? It’s seems Big Daddy will give you gals a little help in the equality department.

Cyas!

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

NWO, you forgot my citation! It’s almost like you’re ignoring me on purpose.

NWOslave
NWOslave
9 years ago

@ozymandias42

Well I’ll have to play role playing another time, I’m tired. But I had to come back for this.

#1)If spear was aroused he wasn’t raped. She’s off the hook. He’s a grown man not a small boy.
#2) Amishwear
#3)No.
#4)Horseracing.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

NWO, is this because of the time when I pointed out your failings as a human being and predicted that your movement would amount to nothing more than a steaming plate of nobody gives a shit?

Would it help I put on some provocative beach wear?

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

Wait, it’s Amish wear now? I thought we were supposed to dress like Mennonites.

Lauralot
Lauralot
9 years ago

#1)If spear was aroused he wasn’t raped. She’s off the hook. He’s a grown man not a small boy.

Holy complete lack of anatomy knowledge, Batman!