So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
That’s a bunch of incoherent nonsense. Do you honestly believe most women aren’t physically aroused by men? Do teenage fangirls fantasise about merely dressing sexy in front of Johnny Depp, not, you know, having sex with him?
Since it is very obvious men and woman are different and have completely different sexualities, they also have different sexual responsibilities and are accountable for those responsibilities.
A man is sexually responsible when he doesn’t rape.
A woman is sexually responsible when she doesn’t arouse.
Modern women have declared they no longer need to have sexual responsibilty or accountability. They have declared men still must be accountable and responsible.
No. We’ve gone over that.
“Say it’s a coupla hundred years ago.”
Say it’s not. That’s the hypothesis most of us work with.
And I don’t get your question. Why would women (in genral, all of them) have trouble arousing males?
Anyway, I’m sure if men as a group suddenly decide that women are gross, I think we can work around the problem with some anime porn or picture of ladies from thousands of years ago, whatever float their boat, some tubes and we can inseminate ourself.
If the men can’t get aroused or ejaculate at all, I don’t think women can be hold responsible.
Would you rather be raped or aroused. Answer the question.
Can anyone please coherently answer the question I posed.
If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?
Some men are aroused by feet. Most are not. Without asking some very intimate questions, I don’t know which you are.
Is it therefore evil wanton teasing to be barefoot in front of you?
…I can’t believe I’m trying to reason this out.
“Stupid or just trolling? What say you, fellow commenters?”
Tough one. I’d say stupid, but who knows…
“Since it is very obvious men and woman are different and have completely different sexualities, they also have different sexual responsibilities and are accountable for those responsibilities.”
It’s only obvious for you.
And rape is always a bad thing.
You also think arouse is a bad thing?
That’s a bunch of incoherent nonsense. Do you honestly believe most women aren’t physically aroused by men? Do teenage fangirls fantasise about merely dressing sexy in front of Johnny Depp, not, you know, having sex with him?
“Ooh, baby, I’m going to wear a low-cut top at you all night long! I’m going to wear a cute skirt over and over…and then, just when you think that’s all, I’m going to put on a really flattering hat. Oh god YES, look at the hat! Just like that! Watch me wear it harder! Harder!”
The scary thing is that I’m not sure NWO doesn’t really think this is how it works.
@All manboobz commentors.
I answer plenty of questions. You agree with none of them which is fine. Here is my question.
If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?
“Can anyone please coherently answer the question I posed.”
I did. Porn of whatever gets men off in your dystopia and women inseminate themselves.
Still don’t get the point of the question, but I did answered it.
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I don’t know. Steal sperm from gay men?
@NWO If women couldn’t arouse a man, how could women reproduce without the aid of modern technology?
We’d use DOGS, man’s best friend, of course!
*runs away cackling in feminist glee*
NWOslave, do you think the women in the video saw that poor guy, yelled “Let’s arouse him!” and ripped his clothes off?
Also, if a straight woman surrounds herself with asexual men, does that mean she’s more virtuous? Can she wear anything she wants then?
I answered your question. Now, would you rather be aroused or raped?
@NWO, no, really srs, we don’t need technology. Don’t you know we collect men’s penises and keep them in boxes to use? We witches have been doing it for centuries
You, though, I’d turn into a NEWT!
“The scary thing is that I’m not sure NWO doesn’t really think this is how it works.”
I think that NWO, like Arks, think that sexuality is all about genes and babies. Consent, pleasure (or at least pleasure of the partner),… is out of his mind.
“Calm down, the girls won’t be punished. They probably shed tears, oh gasp! Right now they’re most likely at the mall giggling at all the boys who are gawking at them in their teeny bikini’s. Hope none of those boys looks to long and breaks the 6 second rule, they might get in trouble for sexual harrassment.”
All teenage girls go to the mall in teeny bikinis, even if they live in Minnesota and it’s December. There is actually a section of the official girl code that stipulates this, and if they choose to wear jeans instead they will be punished by being forced to watch action movies, which all girls hate because they are for boys.*
*If they wear baggy jeans they will be forced to watch Michael Bay movies, which are offensive to people of any gender with an IQ over 100.
@Kyrie
Porn is still women. Pictures of naked women.
But if I use your answer you’re at least admitting the truth. A womans sexuality is her ability to arouse a man thru dressing, or not dressing and acting sexually.
Not necessarily. There are people out there aroused by drawings of cartoon wolves. There’s a world of variety out there.
NWOslave, I have to hand it to you, your replies to me were master classes in ignoring what I’d written. Well done. On the disingenuous scale you’re an alpha alpha prime!
No, humans do not have an estrus cycle — unlike many of our related hominid species there is no physiological change to a woman’s appearance that signals she is ready for sex. Your obsession about women’s clothing signifying a state of sexual licence is disturbing — have you thought about emigrating to a theocratic dictatorship like Saudi Arabia where these issues would be less pressing for you?
What, all men everywhere? This is your craziest idea yet. Some men probably get sex several times a day while others maybe only get it once a week. Whatever frequency men get sex, they are in charge of their bodies and if the frequency is too low there is a handy (ha ha) catch-all solution. Wank. Wank copiously. Wank until your sock collection is completely used up and you have to do the laundry. But keep away from women until you’ve grokked that consent thing — lots of men have, and if they want, they can usually get lots of great sex.
NWO you did consider gay porn right? You didn’t specify the sperm had to come from straight men.
NWO: YOU……………ARE………………….A…………………..NEWT!
FYI, that is not a link to Furry art of any kind. Safe to click.
“But if I use your answer you’re at least admitting the truth. A womans sexuality is her ability to arouse a man thru dressing, or not dressing and acting sexually.”
Last time I checked, sexuality was what you were ATTRACTED TO, not what you did.
My sexuality is based around chubby dudes. I’m not going to wear one out on the town when I want to attract one, though.