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The False Rape Society is shocked — shocked! — by a fraternity’s “who would you rape?” survey.

The False Rape Society is shocked and stunned that frat boys would joke about rape.

So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)

Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.

First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:

I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.

Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.

Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:

Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.

Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.

With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:

There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident

This what incident?

and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a  “rape culture.”

Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”

A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey.  Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison.  It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.

This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.

Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!

Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”

We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.

An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:

I do not condemn this action,

in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.

It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.

When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.

But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:

By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.

I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.

So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”

Got it.

EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.

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ozymandias42
13 years ago

NWO, sweetie, you do realize that the genders are not at war with each other, right? Most women actually like most men, and vice versa.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@Holly Pervocracy
“NWO only rapes children because women won’t beat each other. See, it’s fair.”

That’s “girl” children, Holly. Let’s not make me out to be a pervert.

Bostonian
Bostonian
13 years ago

Child rapists are perverts, NWO, even the men who rape girls.

So you are indeed a perversion of a man, not an upstanding citizen.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

“owlslave, it really would save a lot of trouble if you would just admit that the only way you can understand the world is by hitting things”

He repairs machines for a living, right? I hope this isn’t his approach at work too.

Quackers
Quackers
13 years ago

@NWO

from the same article:

The researchers defined rape as completed forced penetration, forced penetration facilitated by drugs or alcohol, or attempted forced penetration.

nowhere do I see stubbing one’s toe to be defined as rape. go fuck yourself you rotten rape excusing filth.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

Hey now. I’m a pervert.

NWO’s just a bad person.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@ozymandias42
“NWO, sweetie, you do realize that the genders are not at war with each other, right?”

I’m afraid that’s not true. Women are just angry that men have begun fighting back.

Sharculese
13 years ago

Deny what? The article even states, “The study, a continuing telephone survey of a nationally representative sample of 16,507 adults, defines intimate partner and sexual violence broadly.”

A telephone suvey that defines rape broadly? What the hell is that? Broadly? “Did you ever stub your toe?” “Yes.” “Well that’s rape!”

owlslave, i know reading things would leave less time for manufacturing ways youre a victim, and would go against your ideology of angry, frothing ignorance, but article linked to the fucking study. why don’t you read it and see if you criticism has validity, or is again, just something you pulled out of your ass?

http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf

to start, here’s a bit that’s really going to make you angry, not because of what it says, but because it reveals how out of touch with reality your victimization fantasy is.

. In 2010, a total of 18,049 interviews were conducted (9,970 women and 8,079 men) in the U.S. general population. This includes 16,507 completed and 1,542 partially completed interviews. A total of 9,086 females and 7,421.

they care about men, too! how are you going to twist that to make it look like everyone is out to get you?!

Damsel in de Tech (@damselindetech)

Funny, I haven’t been around the comments section here much, but I’ve been here enough to skip over the comments from NWOslave. From some of the reactions here I can see I’ve made the right choice.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@Quackers

A question for you.

A man and a woman are both drinking. They have sex. The next day the woman says it’s rape because she was intoxicated. Was it rape?

Bostonian
Bostonian
13 years ago

Sorry Holly, I take it back.

NWO, you are simply a horrible child rapist wanna be.

Don’t forget the slavery advocacy! Women and children should be property, and NWO is fighting for the repeal of civil rights for all women and kids.

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

A telephone suvey that defines rape broadly? What the hell is that? Broadly? “Did you ever stub your toe?” “Yes.” “Well that’s rape!”

Wrong!

Sharculese
13 years ago

I’m afraid that’s not true. Women are just angry that men have begun fighting back.

*sigh* whatever it takes to justify your hard-on for violence, champ.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

@Sharculese
“they care about men, too!”

Hahahaha. Fool. They’re fueling the hatred.

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

Was it rape?

Not. Enough. Information.

Sharculese
13 years ago

Not. Enough. Information.

there is no context!

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

Well then, eveyone answer the question I posed to Qwackers.

Sharculese
13 years ago

Hahahaha. Fool. They’re fueling the hatred.

so the answer is… by making things up…

can’t say i’m surprised…

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

Yes there is enough info. They were both drinking. They both had about the same to drink. She says she was raped. Was she?

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

I’m afraid that’s not true. Women are just angry that men have begun fighting back.

Today I went to the doctor. I checked in with the receptionist, who was male. I was very nervous about having a painful minor surgery so in the waiting room I texted Ami (female) and Rowdy (male) for moral support. I went in and was treated by a nurse (female) and surgeon (female). Afterwards I went down to the pharmacy and got meds from a pharmacist (male). I ran into a friend (female) in the pharmacy and we chatted a bit. Then I talked on the phone with my dad (male). Later in the day I got a call from a friend (male) asking for advice on a personal crisis and he decided he needed to talk to another friend who could help him more (female).

And so on. This is what my mundane daily interactions look like, NWO.

This is why it’s so hard for me to believe in a gender war.

NWOslave
NWOslave
13 years ago

Here, there is no physical damage to her. Was she raped?

Bostonian
Bostonian
13 years ago

No one needs to answer the question. You just want to justify raping women as well as kids.

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

NWOslavewannabepedophile,

Here, there is no physical damage to her. Was she raped?

Still not enough information. (Let’s see how long it takes him to work out why.)

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

NWO, you giant ass, there’s not enough information.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

A man and a woman are both drinking. They have sex. The next day the woman says it’s rape because she was intoxicated. Was it rape?

Probably.

If they’re equally drunk, but he initiates the sex and she just lies there, then yes, that is rape. A drunk person can rape an equally drunk person, if they force that equally drunk person to have sex with them.