So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
Ugh. That video was disgusting, and the mother should have went along with pressing charges. I hope those girls faced severe consequences for what they did.
Of course NWO had to make the thread even more disturbing by talking about how slutty the underage girl in the video looked and making assumptions that the young boy was assaulted because he was aroused and was assaulted in order to be taught “sexual control”
NWO you truly are a sick fuck. Lose the projection and get help.
The creepiness meter has maxed out in this thread, see ya’ll in the next one!
It’s more disturbing than that. He seems to think that we* are condoning the behaviour of the girls. All of the condemnations of their behaviour mean nothing to him.
*Well… you, collectively. To be fair, I haven’t said anything on that topic yet.
“and the mother should have went along with pressing charges.”
I agree. She also shouldn’t have let the video get to the tv. (although I don’t what were her legal resources in the matter) I know it’s blurred, but it seems like that could add to the trauma.
I have to say that I can understand not wanting to press charges, since it would force the boy to relive the events multiple times in various testimonies (and yes, I think even with the video his testimony would be needed at some point, though hopefully not in court). What I can’t understand is how that video got on TV, and who in the networks thought that was a good idea. If anything, that seems to be doing more harm than good by bringing up what could have been a criminal investigation (therefore screwing with jurors/testimonies), or at the least hurting the boy even more.
I get really angry at people who think it is okay to put up footage of any crime committed, since it can trigger other victims or even cause more damage to the victim in question.
I am genuinely disturbed by NWOs assumption that the girls were trying to get the boy aroused so they could then deny him sex and thus embarrass him. I watched the video, and that’s not what I see. It’s a classic case of older kids bullying younger kids, and it is sexualized, but what’s happening there isn’t what he’s seeing, and the idea that the girls, I dunno, decided to dress sexy that day just in case they might have the opportunity to sexually humiliate a grade school boy? Is just bizarre. And it’s an ongoing theme with him, this idea that women and even little girls derive some sort of malicious pleasure out of giving men erections and then denying them sex. I think he thinks that’s how women have orgasms or something, it’s really weird.
As ozy said, if NWOslave is posting very similar comments elsewhere at sites which have a different ethos to here, then it would seem he isn’t faking, and that the hurtful slurs deliberately intended to needle and upset people here are sincere. If he knows they are false and raises them for that purpose he is a hateful and despicable misanthrope. On the other hand, if he isn’t faking then he is an amoral sociopath who is under the delusion that he is a moral person because of his superficially reasoned religious views. Either way NWOslave, is currently a horrible person and an irredeemable moral vacuum, and is likely to remain that way unless he has some radical change of heart. I highly doubt it will occur, which is very sad for him and all of his near family and friends, because like B__don or Meller he seems set in his horrible ways.
Also, it’s sad when even those who have been trolls in the past recognise you for being a troll: MRA Lieutenant for the money quote:
Sexbots Dude:
That is most definitely sexual assault and if any or all of them had sex with them (did they? The video didn’t say they did) it would have been rape.
Yeah. It’s like his own erections cause him severe emotional pain.
NWOslave, you are aware that most men actively seek out things that arouse them, right?
NWO said:
“My guess is, these “good feminists,” since all women are feminist to a degree thanks to generations of daily indoctrination, were sexually exciting the young lad. They then decided to expose his lack of sexual control for a few laughs. Nothing like a little sexual arousal and shaming to put a young boy in his place.”
There you go again, making shit up. You have no idea of the circumstances around this assault, you only know what’s on the video, so stop pretending you do.
The girls committed a sexual assault and filmed it. I think they deserve to be punished in the same way a bunch of boys doing the same thing to a girl would be. His mother chose not to press charges, that was her decision neither of us really know why she did that so I’m not going to speculate.
I keep watching this thread, waiting to see the “Gotcha!” response to the discussion of the YT video, but it has yet to appear, and the reason seems obvious.
The expectation was that all the ebil feminists would defend the girls in the video, because all ebil feminists are misandrists and girls can do no wrong evah!!!1! </sarcasm>
What in fact happened – which is obviously disappointing to Sexbots, etc. – was that there was general agreement that what had been done to the poor boy was unacceptable bullying and sexual assault, both of which were roundly condemned as being wrongful actions, and that if the girls had gone any further than they did, we would be in agreement that a more serious assault such as rape might have occurred. Feminism is largely united in decrying crimes of sexual assault no matter who the victim(s) is (are), or who the attacker(s) is (are). The answer for why that is a feminist stance is simple, they’re crimes against people.
NWO:
” Yet here we are. Barely a week later and it’s captured on video by the girls themselves. They couldn’t wait to post it on you tube.
“Lookw everyone, we got him all excited then stripped him down to mock his lack of self control.”
They knew even if they were caught there’d be no punishment. They’re girls. There’ll be no accountablity. Heck, we’re closing down womens prisons because women are good, pure and moral. So much better than men.”
So there you go again, making shit up. This is a construction that you put on the video. You have no idea if what you are saying is true or not. You went from saying it was a guess to claiming that that’s what happened and assuming you know what the girls were thinking.
They committed what is legally a sexual assault and you go on to hypothesize all this shit around it. The girls deserve to be punished and the fact that they haven’t been is due to the boy’s mother deciding not to charge them, not some kind of feminist conspiracy.
“It’s a shame the video was probably removed from you-tube. I’da love to’ve seen the comment section. Women would just be roaring with laughter in their comments.”
Is anyone here roaring with laughter? I’ve not seen anyone laughing so far.
“Already from your comments I can see the excuses. If it was boys doing it to a girl, nothing less than blood would do. And every man would be at fault. Rape culture would be screamed from the highest treetops.”
Who’s making excuses for them? There is no excuse. Nor is there any excuse for you to confabulate these little “stories”.
That boy will grow up to be one of 2 things. Either he’ll fear girls and be a total social introvert, or he’ll become a violent rapist and eventually spend his life behind bars being sodomized.
NWO, this is such garbage. Again, as someone who actually gives a shit about this boy and other male victims, I think it is hateful, pathetic, and untrue to claim that he is doomed to being somehow “broken” forever, let alone that he will grow up to be a rapist. I think it is entirely possible that, with love and support, he can go on to lead a happy, healthy, fulfilled life. Please don’t pretend that you care in the slightest about men and boys if you’re going to keep saying nasty things about this boy.
NWO
I have to ask in concern for you if you think you’re broken forever? Are you projecting your feelings onto this boy?
As a side thought: Initiation rights when you join: say a hockey team. Is it o.k with NWO when it is boy on boy?
Adi: It wasn’t automatic. It was conditioned on how you brought the subject up, not that you brought it up.
When you say that because it’s not a false accusation of rape that women are spared the problems of false accusations which harm their character for purported sexual conduct, you are being mysogynist, because you are making a false equivalance, and both sides of that balance hurt women.
What if I behaved as you do and called you a racist who’s proud of it because you implied that a few comments back?
You might enjoy such a mud slinging fest but I do not. So I must stop reading your crap.
I’d say you need to support the allegation with actual examples; as I did above. If you want to enter a conversation, and then refuse to take part because what you say is being challenged, that’s your problem, not mine.
Adi: No, but living in fear of false accusations is indeed a normal male experience
Speak for yourself. I was worried, back when I was an inexperienced person, that I’d fail to get the proper consent, but I managed to figure out how to do it.
I’ve been having sex since 1984. There have been more than a few women in my bed in that time (more than the national average for US males, in any case). Never have I worried about being accused of raping any of them.
As I said, I am male and I say no charges from the gossip, then it’s pretty much no foul. It will suck, but so does a woman being falsely said to be a slut, and that’s a fuck of a lot more common.
When it comes to things like periods, I rely entirely on the word of those who experienced it.
Unless you’ve been falsely accused of something (which I have, some of it merely because of the job I had), you don’t know. You are worrying about something that you don’t have personal experience with, and telling people
Crap, cropped a line:
Adi: When it comes to things like periods, I rely entirely on the word of those who experienced it.
Unless you’ve been falsely accused of something (which I have, some of it merely because of the job I had), you don’t know. You are worrying about something that you don’t have personal experience with, and telling people how horrible it is; and how pervasive the fear of it is.
CONFIDENTIAL TO BILLY WILLIAMS, WHO KEEPS TRYING TO POST HERE:
1) I banned you because your second comment here consisted, in its entirety, of this:
2) I can see IP addresses, so when you try to post under another name, I can still tell it’s you!
3) Have a lovely weekend!
“Dave Futrelle can suck my testiclez.”
He probably can’t, you know, unless you happen to be in the same city he is.
I would also like to know what “testiclez” are, and how they’re different from testicles.
At the very least, I’d say the onus is on Billy to facilitate said testiclez-sucking.
I mean, it’s nice of him to grant David permission and all (in fact, it’s unambiguous written consent), but I don’t see why David should have to pay travel expenses.
I agree with the others condemning the girls who sexually abused the boy, but I would also be interested in hearing NWO’s thoughts on fraternity hazing:
http://www.google.com/search?rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&q=violent+fraternity+initiation#pq=violent+fraternity+initiation&hl=en&cp=12&gs_id=33&xhr=t&q=fraternity+hazing&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&rlz=1C1ARAB_enUS452US452&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=fraternity+h&aq=0&aqi=g4&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=2f0b188327e19041&biw=1024&bih=499
So, are the manly men of fraternities who not only have a disturbing pattern of rape apology but are also violently hazing members doing so because…….FEMINISMM?
I don’t think so.
Yet young men are routinely stripped, forced to drink to excess (some incidents leading to death), and in a few notorious cases, one at my doctoral university, found naked in rooms with sheep, all in the name of MANHOOD.
Well, NWO, I await ur insights with breathless impatience.
(I am not saying the girls are excused because men do it too, but it the philosophy is that people violently and sexually abusing other people is bad, it ought to be bad when it’s man on man!)
‘I would also like to know what “testiclez” are, and how they’re different from testicles.’
Presumably it is a witty play on words, like manboobz.
ithaliana: it’s a a bit unrelated, but on your google link I couldn’t help but notice the google propositions: between “stories”, “death” and “statistic”, you can found in number 2 “ideas”.
That’s sick.
If I remember rightly, ‘manboobz’ came about because ‘manboobs.com’ was already taken.
So what’s Billy’s excuse? His ‘s’ key is obviously working.
@Kyrie: Yes, it is sick-but I tend to think that paying attention to what is getting high rankings on Google is important–because the rankings are pretty much based on linking from and hits and such (as I understand their super sekrit algorhythm). And yeah, despite all the official anti-hazing rules on campuses, it’s still going on.
I’d personally love to see the whole Greek system booted out of education, along with the big money athletics, and all that. But I don’t expect to see it happen.