So you may have seen the story yesterday about the University of Vermont fraternity that was suspended for sending out a charming little survey that allegedly asked, among other things, “If you could rape someone, who would it be?” (FWIW, the frat now says it was the work of an individual frat member, not the chapter.)
Reading about this incident, I’m guessing that you probably didn’t ask yourself: “I wonder how the guys at the False Rape Society will use this news to push their own agenda?” Heck, I didn’t even think to ask myself that question. But while doing the rounds of the MRA blogs I’ve discovered the answer to that question, and here it is: FRS head honcho Pierce Harlan described the survey as “perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape,” then denounced it as “indefensible,” then ranted about the evils of false rape accusations. I guess that isn’t really shocking at all.
First, Harlan offered this take on the “who would you rape” question:
I assume the survey was sick humor, a crude satire of the fratboy culture, and perhaps a poke at feminism’s fascination with rape.
Yes, because any time men make rape jokes it’s probably because, you know, feminism, and its wacky obsession with rape.
Then Harlan went on to suggest that rape was no laughing matter – especially when it comes to rape that doesn’t happen:
Whatever it was intended to be, ultimately it is indefensible, because trivializing the word “rape” is no laughing matter, whether it’s a joke about the rape of male prisoners, or the fantasy “rape” of women, or a false rape claim intended to get a guy in, or a woman out of, trouble.
Well, that was quick. Let’s not talk about the trivialization of real rape. Let’s talk about the epidemic of “false rape accusations” that Harlan has convinced himself is the real problem here.
With nary a pause, Harlan moved on to complain about hypothetical feminists making a big deal out of this survey instead of joining him on his crusade:
There most certainly will be an outcry in the feminist blogosphere over this isolated incident
This what incident?
and it will be cited as proof positive to support the myth that ours is a “rape culture.”
Yeah, I wonder why casual jokes about rape would possibly be considered as part of “rape culture.”
A “rape culture,” of course, not only would tolerate but would condone such a puerile survey. Our society does neither. The only “rape” jokes our society condones concerns prison rape — and that’s because society actually encourages prison rape as a sort of “added bonus” punishment for any hapless male who lands in prison. It is ironic that actual prison rape does not garner the outrage that this this sick fratboy humor is generating. Go figure.
This from a guy who doesn’t seem to have ever even bothered to mention the leading anti-prison rape organization, Just Detention, on his web site. (See here for more on the issue on Man Boobz.) Though he does offer three links on his main page to information about the statute of limitation for rape charges, in case anyone reading is worried about getting caught being falsely accused for something they did didn’t do a long time ago.
Meanwhile,rape jokes — and not just prison rape jokes — are everywhere. Harlan, I assume you are at least somewhat familiar with a little site called Reddit, where people not only laugh at rape jokes – they laugh at actual rape!
Meanwhile, in the comments on Harlan’s article, some False Rape Society readers don’t even bother to pretend that the “rape survey” bothers them. According to the commenter called “bad,”
We should be celebrating young men who stand up against misandry. We should be celebrating the frat that said “no means yes” and we should be celebrating the frat that created this survey, if it’s a real story.
An anonymous commenter takes it a step further:
I do not condemn this action,
in fact, I wish I’d thought of it.
It is a brilliant and very appropriate response to the way young men are being treated by college campuses.
When the answer to “who would you like to treat like a rapist” is “all college men”, I think that asking them who they’d like to rape is more than fair.
But it is Harlan’s response to these comments that is the most revealing:
By the way, I read the reaction of Bad and others as a natural backlash … against the unconscionable PC culture of misandry on campus. I happen to disagree with those who suggest this was acceptable, but their remarks should not be construed as evidence that we live in a “rape culture.” Like Steve, I read their comments more as an affirmation that we live in a false rape culture–a culture that more and more men are finding intolerable.
I, on the other hand, doubt that these young men have the first clue about misandry, feminism, or how colleges run roughshod over the rights of young men. I am always amazed when we hear from falsely accused people who “had not idea this goes on.” My guess is they were just being being “funny.” I would, frankly, love to find out I am wrong, and that not only would they never call for a woman to be actually raped, but that this was a protest against the pendulum swinging too far. In that case, I am still not sure I could find it acceptable but it would initiate an entirely different dialogue.
So the survey is “indefensible,” yet a totally understandable reaction to, and protest against, an “unconscionable PC culture of misandry.”
Got it.
EDITED TO ADD: Harlan has written a response, of sorts, to this post. It is a bit — what’s the word I’m looking for here? — zany.
Does NWO come into threads specifically to say ‘I am a fucking awful human being’ or is that just an unintended side effect?
The really funny part about the video, well funny in an ironic sort of way, is; just last week I said something about women/girls should sexually arouse young boys and then degraded them to teach them sexual self-control. Of course I said it mockingly, (I would never subject boys to such a nightmarish existance), even though that’s exactly what modern women/girls do by dressing and acting sexually in front of boys entering puberty.
The response of course ranged from ridicule, to do you really think girls go around trying to sexually arouse and degrade men/boys, to the standard hatred, and then off into total mockery.
Yet here we are. Barely a week later and it’s captured on video by the girls themselves. They couldn’t wait to post it on you tube.
“Look everyone, we got him all excited then stripped him down to mock his lack of self control.”
They knew even if they were caught there’d be no punishment. They’re girls. There’ll be no accountablity. Heck, we’re closing down womens prisons because women are good, pure and moral. So much better than men.
It’s a shame the video was probably removed from you-tube. I’da love to’ve seen the comment section. Women would just be roaring with laughter in their comments.
Already from your comments I can see the excuses. If it was boys doing it to a girl, nothing less than blood would do. And every man would be at fault. Rape culture would be screamed from the highest treetops.
Oh don’t be so bashful, Kyrie. I’ve heard the language you spew here regularly. All the sudden the video is too much for your delicate sensibilities?
In NWO-land, saying “fuck” is WAY more upsetting than watching a child be assaulted. I wish this were surprising.
I wonder if those future, or presently model feminists stripped the boy to expose his lack of control? I noticed the one in the green shoes was wearing very little for such a little girl. And the other has on skin tight half pants and a skin tight shirt. I don’t know what the camera-girl is wearing.
Jesus Christ, what the fuck is wrong with you?
My guess is, these “good feminists,” since all women are feminist to a degree thanks to generations of daily indoctrination, were sexually exciting the young lad. They then decided to expose his lack of sexual control for a few laughs. Nothing like a little sexual arousal and shaming to put a young boy in his place.
As someone who actually feels terrible for that boy, unlike you, I’m not going to speculate on his arousal or lack thereof, because a little boy’s sexual feelings are none of my damn business, and I’m not going to accuse an assault victim of lacking “sexual control,” because that is frankly sick. Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?
I also noticed how if bad men would do something like this, (although I’ve never seen such a heartless vid of men doing this); It seems if a man/men would sexually assault it’d be serious business.The girls however tittered and laughed as if sex was a funny weapon to use. For women/girls, sexual arousal of a man and denial or degradation is nothing but, “girls just wanna have fun!”
The guy who assaulted me actually did laugh while he did so, you pathetic ass. Breaking news: the sort of people who assault others not infrequently find others’ suffering enjoyable! Do you laugh while you fantasize about what you’d like to do to the little girls in the video, or is that serious business? Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?
What are your thoughts? Or aren’t girls like that? Are women, thru their action building “rape culture?” Shall we send the lad to a “therapist” so she can extoll the many virtues of women?
No, his parents should probably send him to a therapist so he can deal with the trauma of being assaulted. Again, because unlike you, I actually care about a male victim and want him to heal and have a happy life. Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?
The other thing I’ve noticed is when a man does something bad, such as the penn state thing, it get’s mentioned over and over a hundred times a day for months on end, ad nauseum. Yet I’ve given countless links of women/girls doing the same thing and it never even makes anything but a small local by-line.
The reason I didn’t bother watching the video is because I first heard about this story on the national news several months ago. You were saying?
Why is that? It’s almost like womens vile acts get swept under the rug. You’d think a story like this would/should be national headlines for the next 3 months. If it was boys doing it to a girl it most certainly would be.
Your reality continues to touch only tangentially on the one the rest of us live in. Also, what the fuck is wrong with you?
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I’m not sure what to say. I don’t want to watch the video because it is extremely uncomfortable to watch this young boy being assaulted. I feel sick watching this because of empathy (you can search that word in a dictionary), because I’m not used to see this kind of image (not counting fictional violence) in my daily life and because I guess I’m just that weak.
Until right now, I wouldn’t have tough I had any reason to be ashamed of any of it.
I’m against rape too. I’m a supporter of rape victims, but I never felt the need to watch the crime happening. If I had to, because I was part of a jury or something like, I would, but until their is a good reason I won’t.
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I’m trying to, but for the life of me I can’t see the logical link between “I use words like ‘fuck'” and “I should be okay watching sexual violence on children”
@Holly Pervocracy
“Holy fucking shit you are the most disgusting person imaginable.”
More disgusting than 3 girls sexually arousing a young boy, then stripping him and proudly showing the video on you-tube?
In the name of “equality” shouldn’t all you good feminists be calling for blood?
And while I’m at it, NWO, would you kindly go fuck yourself. You watched the video and all you noticed was that the girls were slutty??
Somehow, when the boy was being held down and stripped, I don’t think the thought “why are they teasing me with their sexy clothes?” is one of which occurred to him.
But what do I know? I mean, I’ve actually seen a therapist (and need a new one) so obviously I’m brainwashed.
@Kyrie
I watched the video to evaluate it. Did I sexualized those girls? Is that how it goes? Or did they sexualize themselves?
I noticed a boy being tortured by girls. Maybe the reason it isn’t blasted on the MSM 24/7 is because it’s quite common.
That boy will grow up to be one of 2 things. Either he’ll fear girls and be a total social introvert, or he’ll become a violent rapist and eventually spend his life behind bars being sodomized.
Nicola:
I went and checked and you are indeed right.
I think he specifically comes here to show what an awful human he is. What is wrong with you, NWO? Did you really think any of us would condone the behavior of the girls? What they did is a shitty thing, and it would be a shitty thing regardless of gender.
But hey, you got your rocks off saying what sluts those girls look like, so I guess it’s all good in the NWO ‘hood.
No, but living in fear of false accusations is indeed a normal male experience
Really? I’m a guy and the amount of time I’ve spent worrying about being falsely accused of rape approaches zero. I’ve spent more time being afraid of being falsely accused of shop lifting (which has happened to me).
As a former child care worker, I have at various times worried about being falsely accused of child molestation, but it’s never been more than a fear of a theoretical possibility; I’ve never actually been accused of it. I got a bit paranoid after reading a book about McMartin Preschool panic.
But worrying about whether I will be falsely accused of raping a full-grown woman? Nope. Hasn’t been an issue.
@hellkell
Did they do a “shitty thing?” Your words are so harsh! If a man so much as touches a womans hand thru her glove in winter without express written permission, he’s called “rapey.”
NWO, fuck off. You know that’s bullshit.
“That boy will grow up to be one of 2 things. Either he’ll fear girls and be a total social introvert, or he’ll become a violent rapist and eventually spend his life behind bars being sodomized.”
Or maybe he’ll get help and love, from family friends, therapists (I know, spawn of the devil and all that), and will be fine.
Males hurt by females (as well as any person of any gender hurt by any person of any gender) don’t have these only two possibilities, whose common point is to say “what those girls did to me, all females are responsible for”. But I understand you would choose to believe that, it would make who you are easier to justify.
NWO, even if you’re faking this shit, you’re a horrible person even for faking it. You should know that.
Yes, NWO, what those girls did was a shitty thing to do to a person. Would you be OK with it if they did that to another girl? I bet you would, because you’re awful that way.
The only time I’ve “lived in fear” (actually, it was more like “living in annoyance”) of false accusations was when I lived with a girlfriend who was convinced that if I even so much as glanced for a split second in the direction of another woman this meant that I was actively considering her as a potential mistress.
However, I didn’t consider that to be a normal experience (male or otherwise), and ended up pulling the plug on the entire relationship.
But false accusations of rape? It’s never crossed my mind for a millisecond that anyone would – the evidence would be nonexistent (quite aside from anything else, I’ve been strictly monogamous for over a decade), so whoever concocted the accusation would have to devise one hell of a convincing story. And I really can’t see why they’d bother.
@Holly Pervocracy
Faking what? Amazing how I’m a horrible person. I asked you a question which you didn’t answer. Am I more horrible than those girls?
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@hellkell
Would you only call it shitty if the genders were reversed?
NWOslave, have you grokked the concept of consent yet?
Have you provided a evidenced citation for your assertion about child abuse?
Did you even pay attention when most of us posting in this thread said the YT video sexbot posted was sexual assault, bullying, and that those things are wrong, and we would not be defending the actions of the girls if the parents had decided to bring charges forward?
NWO, you exquisite moron, I said it was shitty NO MATTER THE GENDER. Learn to fucking read.
Holly, I don’t think he’s faking it. He comments on e.g. the Spearhead, where there’s no one to troll, which suggests he actually thinks this stuff.
NWO, I hope you wake up in the middle of the night and understand how sad and cold and empty your life is. I hope you get to look down into your soul and truly understand how warped and hideous it is.
That boy was assaulted (I, like Kyrie, couldn’t bear to watch the video, so I’m working off others’ comments). I feel tremendously sorry for him and support stronger bullying laws to protect boys like him.
Yes.
Holly: there as several trolls that I could believe are in it for the lulz. But I can’t believe (I might be naive) someone would be able to watch that and care enough to look at the ‘slutty’ clothes just to piss feminists off.
NWO, I’m still waiting for an answer:
“I’m trying to, but for the life of me I can’t see the logical link between “I use words like ‘fuck’” and “I should be okay watching sexual violence on children””
Based on your posts here NWO-your having done worse then these three girls really would not surprise me.
At the moment though I have no idea who you are so I have no idea if you have actually done some of the things you mention on here. Again though, it would not surprise me.
“No, but living in fear of false accusations is indeed a normal male experience”
This has been said by others, but I’m a cis-male, and never ever even considered being afraid of false rape accusations. In fact, I was unaware of how scared I am supposed to be, being in a relationship where (due to unavoidable external circumstances) I end up spending more money in my relationship than my gf. However, I love her, she supports me emotionally, and I never have been scared of any kind of false accusation.
Seriously NWOslave, have you ever actually been in a consenting relationship? If you haven’t, that really sucks, but don’t take it out on others.