Today, a lesson in advanced Facebook dating mathematics, courtesy of our friend Roissy/Heartiste.
First: fellas, remember that online dating is stacked against us, due to the ability of the ladies to post pictures of themselves looking cute on Facebook – one of the gravest injustices of the modern world. As Heartiste explains, in a post with the bracing title You’ll Need Hard Negs For Facebook Game:
So you’ve got millions of women posting flattering pics of themselves and personal details that are uniformly positive on their FB walls, and you’ve got a bunch of cloying betas feeding the egos of these women even further with painstakingly crafted supportive comments, and you expect to make any headway with tepid game? That is a bitch shield too strong to breach.
But if you must engage the ladies on this unfavorable terrain, remember to adjust your calculations accordingly. As Heartiste explains this new math:
The combination of self-selected profiles and nonstop beta adulation will boost a 5′s self-conception to a 7. Since 5s already have a self-conception of 6 thanks to the phenomenon of female upward dating momentum and the alpha cock carousel, you now have a double-strength bitch shield to bust instead of a single strength.
I’ve prepared a simple chart to illustrate this point:
But wait! There’s more:
Remember, if a 5 believes she’s a 7 (“But I *feel* like a 7!”) she is also going to believe that male 7s are not high enough status for her. Women are not truly happy unless they are dating men 0.5 to 2 sexual market value points higher than themselves.
Five thinks it’s seven. But seven is five. SEVEN IS FIVE!
The reality, of course, is that the male 7 is two full points higher than the female 5. But the Facebook wall has meddled with the primal forces of nature. An unbridgeable chasm brought about by the advance of technology has severed the organically emergent hierarchy of the dating market where there is no escape from soul withering judgments made in mere seconds.
So, as always, the best bet for the modern man is to find some lady in the real world who actually thinks she’s the number she is. Then, simply neg her until she hates herself. That’s how the math is supposed to work.
Why is it that feminists and the left will lecture us on homophobia and then resort to it? I don’t find anything wrong with calling himself Heartiste.
Online dating is stacked against us because it’s a sausagefest. Even the most attractive guys will get fewer messages than the average women. Heartiste has some good ideas for guys that are nearly sociopaths. It doesn’t seem like it is worth becoming a sociopath just to have a woman like me.
*Girl posts attractive picture of herself*
Brandon: You look like you could lose some weight.
You must make so many friends that way.
@Kyrie: That is what I think Roissy/Heartiste was trying to get across in that post.
@Julie: Physical attractiveness matters when it comes to men looking for sex/girlfriends/potential wives. Most men want a woman with a good body. And if two women were completely identical in every way, except one was overweight and the other was not. I would bet 9 times out of 10…the man would pick the non-overweight girl.
Also, have you ever tried picking up women? A lot of attractive women move through life as if their shit doesn’t stink. This is delusional thinking. So a neg can simply be about reminding them that they aren’t perfect (just like you). A neg such as “Your nails look nice, are they press ons?”.
You know, I have an alternative theory to that of ‘Heartiste’ on why cruising on FB is hard: it’s not a fucking dating site.
People have this expectation that they will be mainly in contact with a small circle of people they already know, and that interactions with third parties will occur through intersectionality (I wish B happy birthday, and B’s friend ALSO wishes him happy birthday, but I will rarely have interactions with B’s friend unless he’s also in my friend list).
A person who violates this unspoken social contract and contacts an unknown simply because of the Friend-of-a-Friend linkage is unlikely to be welcomed in the first place. It will throw red flags to women because of the sort of entitled attitude one is likely to have in order to do this sort of cold contact. An exception might be made if the two FoFs had some long term contact via their mutual friend’s wall and it was made clear through that interaction that some sort of commonality or connection exists that might be explored… But contact out of the blue is likely very much a red flag.
So here’s something that’s getting me, now:
My “number,” whatever the fuck that means, has presumably remained stable over the last 5 years or so. I’ve stayed at about the same weight and haven’t had any surgery or made any major changes in my “style” or whatever.
But I’ve dated guys who looked very different from each other! Some of them were (purely physically) more attractive than others and in no discernible order!
What on Earth could be going on here?
@Crumbelievable: That is a flat out insult…not a neg.
Why should anyone care how inflated some stranger’s ego is? What, are men reality police now?
MRAth is hard :*(
Is that even a neg? That’s just going to get a response of “huh? No, they’re real.” or “yep, aren’t they nice ones?”
I’m having trouble seeing how that wounds a woman to the point where she’ll sleep with a man, any man, just to prove I’m still beautiful!
Then what’s a good example of a “neg”?
Actually Brandon, my post was tongue in cheek silliness. Also, yeah I’ve picked up a number of women. I never found it necessary to insult anyone, nor would I anyway.
There is a big difference between negging as teasing banter back and forth and actually insulting someone to make them feel shitty about themselves (so they hope you fuck them).
At one point when I was on facebook my profile picture was of me drinking out of a toilet (that had been rigged to be a water fountain and never used for it’s original purpose… I don’t drink that much). So that surely dropped me down some points. But everyone loved it, which gave me back points? Plus at the time of the pic I had sexay red hair? I’m going with tau. I was totally tau points.
@Amused: Because men want to get laid and popping her ego helps facilitate that.
When a man expresses such a keen interest in how manicures work, it’s a definite turn-off.
No, it doesn’t. Insulting people does not lead to them wanting to have sex with you. And besides — if anyone’s ego needed popping, it’s yours.
You’re not perfect, Brandon? I am disappoint.
No, it doesn’t. And if it does, she’s got issues larger than the douchebag she just fucked.
Brandon, how does popping an ego help a man get laid? I mean, I suppose in some part of the world it does. Something about this must work, but I fail to understand why being insulted would make me want to sleep with the man insulting me.
Is it supposed to be some kind of Moonlighting “hatesex” tension? Or that if she can prove her worth to the man who has insulted her, he’ll somehow stop insulting her? Cause my guess is he’ll just keep insulting her.
@Holly: It isn’t just a neg that makes women jump in bed with men. Thinking that is foolish. But certain behaviors that a lot of PUA’s try and teach work well with women: don’t be clingy or needy, stand up for yourself and your beliefs (e.g having a backbone), be presentable (clean shaven) because you never know when you will meet someone.
It isn’t JUST the neg or JUST the clothes. It is the sum of everything the man is doing which makes him attractive to a larger pool of women. The clothes, the behavior, body language, stories, wit, jokes, job, etc..
What a lot of men are trying to accomplish by being apart of the “PUA lifestyle” is to make themselves more attractive to more women.
Negs only work on women who: 1) already have low self-esteem or 2) are actually just trying to get laid themselves and are only minimally interested in what the man talking to them is saying. They’re not magical; there’s no code that’s being cracked. A woman with healthy self-esteem, especially if she’s very attractive and knows perfectly well that she’s got a lot going for herself besides her looks, won’t respond positively to negging.
But I’ve seen it work on women who think their looks are the best thing about them. What reads as “ego” to the men who are trying to get next to them is often (though not always) a defense built over time to mask a sense of low self-worth and deal with men.
It’s hilarious though that folks like Brandon and MRAL, are always going on and on about the “egos” on good-looking women. Really good looking women are constantly being approached by men based on nothing more than physical attraction and yet they’re supposed to act flattered and appreciative that yet another stranger is attempting to get into their pants. But apparently the women have the “ego” problem.
Too funny.
@Brandon: I can read the article and it’s not rocket science. My question is, do YOU, agree with the premise and the conclusion of the article?
Do you think hurting someone’s self image is a valid way of finding sex partners?
Oh, really? Because everything you said before that boils down to PUA’s trying to make attractive women hate themselves.
Oh ok, I think I have a better understanding of what “neg” means. Let me try again
*Girl points cute photo of herself in new outfit*
Brandon: Ooh, cute dress. But I wouldn’t be caught dead wearing it with those heels. I mean Hellooo!
I think the idea is the MRAL-like delusion that women are too high-and-mighty to sleep with men, instead of, you know, not wanting to.
It all makes sense if you approach sex as a scenario where:
1) Everyone’s attractiveness is objectively ranked
and
2) A woman will accept any man over her attractiveness “threshold.”
Concepts like “you’re cute but not my type” or “you’re cute but I’m not into you like that” just sail over these guys heads and all they here is “Sorry, ugly man, you don’t meet my threshold.”
*sorry, I forget to get my whole username in ^