Today, a lesson in advanced Facebook dating mathematics, courtesy of our friend Roissy/Heartiste.
First: fellas, remember that online dating is stacked against us, due to the ability of the ladies to post pictures of themselves looking cute on Facebook – one of the gravest injustices of the modern world. As Heartiste explains, in a post with the bracing title You’ll Need Hard Negs For Facebook Game:
So you’ve got millions of women posting flattering pics of themselves and personal details that are uniformly positive on their FB walls, and you’ve got a bunch of cloying betas feeding the egos of these women even further with painstakingly crafted supportive comments, and you expect to make any headway with tepid game? That is a bitch shield too strong to breach.
But if you must engage the ladies on this unfavorable terrain, remember to adjust your calculations accordingly. As Heartiste explains this new math:
The combination of self-selected profiles and nonstop beta adulation will boost a 5′s self-conception to a 7. Since 5s already have a self-conception of 6 thanks to the phenomenon of female upward dating momentum and the alpha cock carousel, you now have a double-strength bitch shield to bust instead of a single strength.
I’ve prepared a simple chart to illustrate this point:
But wait! There’s more:
Remember, if a 5 believes she’s a 7 (“But I *feel* like a 7!”) she is also going to believe that male 7s are not high enough status for her. Women are not truly happy unless they are dating men 0.5 to 2 sexual market value points higher than themselves.
Five thinks it’s seven. But seven is five. SEVEN IS FIVE!
The reality, of course, is that the male 7 is two full points higher than the female 5. But the Facebook wall has meddled with the primal forces of nature. An unbridgeable chasm brought about by the advance of technology has severed the organically emergent hierarchy of the dating market where there is no escape from soul withering judgments made in mere seconds.
So, as always, the best bet for the modern man is to find some lady in the real world who actually thinks she’s the number she is. Then, simply neg her until she hates herself. That’s how the math is supposed to work.
There’s a PUA forum called sosuave.net and they have polls that show that half of posters there are virgins. And most of the other half probably never had a girlfriend and have no social skills. Heartiste is seen as a guru there and one of the admin, Rollo Tomassi, post regularly at Heartiste and now has his own blog. Virgins or guys that have no social skills should not try to become PUAs yet PUAs accept them and encourage them to behave like total creeps. There’s a guy on puahate.com (a forum for guys that have been scammed by PUAs) that explained that he was with his friend in club and the friend had no social skills at all : when he tried to game a woman, he just scared her and creep her out, yet he was convinced that she liked him. There was a 50 years old virgin with AvPD that had a blog and the Roissy crowd was encouraging him to do cold approaches in hardware stores : of course women that he approached were very hostile to him.
I’m late to the party but definitely have gotten my fair share of PUA and PUA types at bars. Some would be things like some bloke slowly trying to touch me more at a show (true fact one i watched categorically go up to all the women in the bar trying to rub their backs and dance up on them. He got to me and i punched him in the face. He sulked the rest of the night).
But the one that stands out is definitely the neg from some dolt i knew about how super duper i am but–according to him–wasn’t dating anyone at the time because i clearly had some psychological problems GEE WASN’T THAT SAD but he alone understood.
I don’t think getting a pitcher dumped on his head was how he saw the night ending.
Btw i could spend all night reading others experiences of PUA, it’s…cathartic.
Jenn, that is just SO creepy! What are guys like that thinking?! I am glad that nothing bad happened to you.
My gods, Zas! I’m glad you’re alright! I would have flipped right the hell out. That sounds incredibly rapey. Where the hell did he get the idea that he could walk up and grab a person like that?
Thanks, Alphalady. I don’t think he really meant any harm, but still, people have to be called on these shenanigans.
Possible, more likely someone who’s watched a few too many episodes of Scam School http://revision3.com/scamschool and taken it too seriously. The host is a real professional magician and sideshow performer (also a genuinely nice guy who’s married and has 2 kids, so not a PUA). Basic premise is scamming your buddies out of free drinks or impressing people with simple tricks and cons.
I have a friend who does magic tricks to amuse people, but for him it’s just an icebreaker; he doesn’t only do them for cute girls and he’s not pushy about it. It’s just a talent he likes to show off.
Not all amateur magicians are skeezy! Just, you know, some of them.
The whole magic tricks thing is very Barney Stintson if you ask me.
If I could do magic tricks I’d probably do it all the time, even with no one around, but I’m compulsive like that.
Jenn and Zas: Wow. As someone who gets freaked out by supposedly normal touching, I can’t imagine going through what you did. I’m so sorry that happened to you. Ugh.
Hmm. I get hit on a lot, including several times today, but I don’t think a PUA has ever tried to bother me. I’ve never been “negged”, for one thing. I’ve been the victim of many a lame seduction technique, but insults are not one of them.
The only thing i have to add to this discussion is Jimi Hendrix had a very good song called if 6 was 9….
“Heartiste” makes me think of this guy:
“Touch my heart with your foot.”
What do I want to do? I want to live my life not manipulating people and treating them like shit in order to get my way. Which should be fairly easy to do since I’m not a power hungry psychopath.
Yea, bad people succeed sometimes, but at what cost? I believe that to get ahead in life you need to be smart and not let people walk all over you. You don’t have to go insulting or “negging” people to do that though. Be kind, but firm. Have boundaries, and respect the boundaries of others. There are too many fucked up evil people in the world already, why would you want to contribute to that?
Like am I the only one who sees this as a never ending cycle of bitterness and anger? say a PUA really hurts a woman. Said woman might become deeply embittered and starts mistrusting or even being rude to other men (this is more likely to happen if she’s been hurt numerous times) so then this woman is rude to some man that doesn’t deserve it, this man becomes deeply hurt and may become bitter with women…its a never ending cycle. A lot of people don’t know how to properly deal and recover from being hurt by other people. They in turn are now angry and bitter and may end up hurting another person because of it, and so the cycle continues.
I’m late to the thread and I’m going to backtrack to Brandon’s claims about fat women and STD rates.
“Hey! Turns out fat women statistically have more STDs than the average!”
“Well, that makes sense. They’re so ugly and desperate, they’ll be reckless and undiscriminating in their pursuit of cock.”
“Wait! I read that wrong! Turns out they have LESS STDs than average!”
“Well, that makes sense. Can’t get an STD if you can’t get laid. Because you’re ugly and desperate”
“And look! This study says there’s actually no statisticly significant difference!”
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….WOMEN ARE WHORES COCK CAROUSEL ALPHA BETA SIGMA RARARARGH”
I remember another experience I had years ago.
I used to belong to a gym in a town where I used to live and would occasionally go to a bar/restaurant across the street afterward for dinner.
One night, I was sitting at a table by myself (I wasn’t even at the bar) when this guy approached me. He not only was older than my dad, he was positively scary looking. He looked like an obese version of that King of the Vampires dude from the show “True Blood.” He also could barely string a sentence together.
He told me that he was in town on business and was staying at a motel across the street, then informed me that I would be going back to his room with him after he was finished having dinner with his friends. He didn’t even give me his name, ask my name, ask if I would like to join him and his friends for dinner or display any degree of charm whatsoever.
I told him he was nuts and to get lost, or I would call the manager and have him ejected. He just shrugged and walked away.
About 45 minutes later, as I was finishing my meal, he came back to my table and said, “I’m leaving. Are you ready?” I asked, “Ready for what?” He said, “To go back to my motel room.” I said, “What part of you’re nuts and get lost did you not understand?!”
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(What amazes me, and my friends have witnessed this, is that the dudes who look and act like something out of a horror movie are the ones most likely to behave like this!)
Wow, what did he say when you told him off the second time. Did he look surprised? I bet he gave a “wth did I do???” look. What an asshole.
There was a 50 years old virgin with AvPD that had a blog and the Roissy crowd was encouraging him to do cold approaches in hardware stores : of course women that he approached were very hostile to him.
Ye gods! Of course this experience would only make a person with Avoidant Personality Disorder even more avoidant. Graduated exposure can be effective, but it has to be, you know, graduated. Throwing a social phobe or AvPD into a hostile social situation is just going to reinforce the notion that social situations are to be avoided.
Look, it’s the politically incorrect truth, and that’s why I like Roissy. Women’s arrogance in the real world is multipled tenfold online, with betas and omegas providing easy fodder for ego-boosting. Those bitches.
Love the new icon, MRALJohn.
“Look, it’s the politically incorrect truth, and that’s why I like Roissy. Women’s arrogance in the real world is multipled tenfold online, with betas and omegas providing easy fodder for ego-boosting. Those bitches.”
Yes, because picking people up on Facebook, among your old high school friends and aunts is really the best way to get one night stands. ( not really)
You like Roissy because he hates women as much as you do, that much is really clear.
LOL…MRAL’s back and he HAS A BLOG?!
I have some very pretty girlfriends on my facebook. NON FATTIES even. And they don’t get the ass-kissing you idiots seem to think they get in droves.
Oh and I bought some heels the other day for an event. I’m tall too. Will be sure to think of you when I wear them 😀
You like Roissy because he a) says what you want to hear, and b) is perhaps even more pathetic than you.
What happens when two of these guys disagree on what someone’s number is? If one of them finds a woman really attractive, and another one thinks she’s not so attractive, who decides the number? Do they arm-wrestle over it? Or are there some kind of “official” standards somewhere that they claim to be working from?
I just don’t see how they have conversations about this when everybody’s pulling numbers out of their ass and treating them like undisputed science facts.
@Alphalady
ugh…that is just gross. What did he do after you told him to get lost again?
Steph: Beauty is objective, so we’re all working from the same standards. We know this, because when roissy’s friends go out to a bar they all agree the same three girls are most attractive (not making this up).
Quakers and Jenn, I alerted the manager and he left. Guess he finally got the hint!