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MRA: Women hate engineering because it’s too hard and they’d rather mooch off their husbands.

Computer Engineer Barbie is sick of this bullshit.

Ever wonder why there are so few women engineers? Well, wonder no more, because carchamp1 over on the Men’s Rights subreddit has the answer! It’s apparently his wife’s fault, or something. In a comment with two dozen upvotes at last count, he explains:

I put my wife through four years of college to be an engineer. That’s four years worth of college tuition and expenses, plus not having any income from her. She got a great job and worked for a couple years. She decided she didn’t want to work anymore so she could be a “stay-at-home-mom”. When I urged her to work she said if I didn’t like it she would take our kid and I could leave.

Women don’t want to be engineers that’s why there are so few. It’s too hard. It’s a lot easier doing the “hardest job in the world”, you know, be a mom and living off your husband.

End of story.

Yeah, it’s not like there might be any other reasons beyond laziness and ingratitude, or anything.

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CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

About technology – I have an iPod nano. It’s about twice the size of a quarter, and it can hold 8GB of information. My current PC tower is less than half the size of the last one, holds more than 10 times as much information and is much faster, and that’s within a development timeframe of about 5 years. Technology is moving right along, it’s just that most people have things that they want more than hover cars, and thus development efforts are focused on the stuff that people want and are willing to pay for.

Sorry that you don’t get to live in an episode of The Jetsons, Meller, but hey, that’s life.

Vera
9 years ago

I’m way late on this and it’s peripheral anyway, but DKM, we DO in fact mine the sea floor for gold, diamonds, *oil*, and probably some other things that I don’t have friends in the business.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

That should be “and steal men job”. *bang head on her desk*

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

Feminism NEEDS lots of laws, judicial rulings, and assorted government regulations to ENFORCE its demented notions of ‘equality” on everyone! Since feminism–female centered gender egalitarianism–needs such a s**tload of “social pressure and laws”, is feminism, and gender equality utterly unnatural?

Just wondering!

Monsieur sans Nom
Monsieur sans Nom
9 years ago

Frankenstein or The Modern Prometheus, by Mary Shelley.
It doesn’t exactly fit your definition since the monster of the story is not a machine, but this story was the first on the subject of “Science is great and powerful. Hey, what about doing a artificial sentient being, it sounds fun! Haaaaaaaaaaa, we lost control!”
Not only is this book an example of this type of story, Shelley invented this kind of stories. ^_^

To her credit she was certainly the first to write such a story. Though it’s questionable that without her the idea would never have arisen but I digress…..She gets credit for being the mother of sci-fi just as Edgar Allen Poe is the father of Horror.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

I’ll admit that the thought of Meller frothing at the mouth because of our collective refusal to become dolls (or robots, or perfect furry submissives, whateverthefuck) makes me laugh. A lot.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

I do love the idea that I ruin all DKM’s fantasies just by existing.

Hey DKM: today I put on pants and a baggy t-shirt, studied microbiology, took a test in a hard-sciences class, talked to my boyfriend as an equal, and continued to hold an unfeminine job! Don’t that just chap your hide? My completely ordinary day?

Vera
9 years ago

year-round, there are at least 150 people in antarctica. There’s a marathon that happens regularly there.

We can measure the properties of the *center of the earth* We can make out details of the various layers. We’ve found living creatures alive without benefit of the sun on the bottom of the ocean.

We daily use satellites in our everyday consumer life. I can GPS myself wherever I am and know where I am and how fast I’m going. And what’s nearby.

We actually do have hovercrafts. They’re really cool but not really a commercial product due to niche market. I can show you a picture if you really want.

We can determine which of hundreds of types of breast cancer a woman has and how best to try to treat it. I would say we have actually found the cure for some cancers. Not prevented, but can cure.

We can do surgery without leaving a visible scar.

We can choose what chromosomal sex our children will have.

We can vaccinate againt many different diseases that were formerly leading causes of child mortality, to the point where people have forgotten that they exist. Since I have become aware of medical interests, (last 12 years) there have been at least three new vaccines, two of which I had the diseases for previously.

Looks like the future to me.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Meller: How the fuck do you manage to hold onto such bullshit ideas in the face of fact and logic (actual, verifiable fact, not just ‘I think it’s true, therefore it is’) is beyond me. If you weren’t such a hateful fuckwit, I might manage to feel sorry for you.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

“The result is a noisy, opinionated, pushy, pedantic, and almost obsessively self-righteous creature. She cannot take any enjoyment in a man’ s company, his conversation, still less, his love, and so she is addicted to an unrelenting “anything you can do, I can do better” type of interaction with a person who otherwise would be her nearest and dearest, or at least someone who would be glad to appreciate her and her womanhood in a big way!”

LOL! Tons of commenters on this board are partnered with men, MellerKraken. Men who we think are just awesome. Pecunium mentioned cuddling with his (non-commenter) feminist girlfriend the other day. It’s like most men and women are happily pairing off and spending time together and it’s just you who’s left all alone to play with his dollies…

Joanna
9 years ago

“it is very unlikely that today we even know which questions to ask, much less how to search for the correct answers!”

But by your logic, men can do anything! Off you go! Chop, chop! I want to see a flying car by the end of the week.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

What if (purely hypothetically, now) if the curve of progress had remained in the XX century what it was in the period roughly 1750-1900, would we have had, e.g. color HDTV in 1928, a working transistor by 1935, PEACEFUL nuclear power by 1939, manned space travel by 1948, and on a commercial basis a decade or so after, maglev transcontinental rail service (both freight and passanger) by 1955, SST by 1960, commercially viable electric vehicles by 1975, and the internet/cellphones–with the supporting hardware–by c.1982?

In other words, the same technological breakthroughs, in (more-or-less) the same order, but substantially accelerated.

I don’t know, but they are useful questions to ask.

Vera
9 years ago

But Joanna, men can’t do anything when they’re busy making the women be in their place! If women would just stay in the kitchen, the men could stop working so hard at forcing them there, and start inventing things.

Oh, but not a restaurant kitchen. Not where they might make a living. Or be in charge of other people. Only at home by themselves. Not talking to other women. Or men. or…. little furry barn animals. Dolls don’t talk anyway.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

My Dad used to take a hovercraft to work (in Singapore). According to him part of the reason they never took off is that they feel odd to travel in – he said it gave him a feeling almost like seasickness, but freakier, and he’d have preferred a regular ferry.

Joanna
9 years ago

“would we have had, e.g. color HDTV in 1928”

No. Women couldn’t work back then. There’d be no difference.

Vera
9 years ago

Ok, now the previously mentioned “future” predictions were developed in 1945-just after WWII. And now somehow the wonderful 50’s men, if there had been no feminism, would have gone back in time to 1900 and invented HDTV before analog television.

I like it. Without feminism, we’d have time travel too!

And as long as I’m dreaming, I want a pony. To kick all the MRAs in the face.

blitzgal
9 years ago

Blitzgal – I hate to make it all about “women understand vaginas!”, too. Most of it’s just… why cut off 50% of your talent pool?

It’s just one recent example off the top of my head. The point is that it takes many people with different perspectives to see the whole picture.

ozymandias42
9 years ago

I love all these Visions of Mellertopia… I kind of want to write a SF novel using his ideas now.

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
9 years ago

It would be helpful, KathleenB, NOT to talk about so-called “bulls**t ideas” from one who takes lunacy like gender equality politics seriously! You may find that you are throwing stones, when the most that you can safely handle are little pebbles.

There is also the saying about the pot and the kettle calling each other “black”!

Vera
9 years ago

Cassandra, do you have a picture of the hovercraft by any chance? The one I rode in was more of a hobby vehicle and had certain issues, such as if you were’t VERY careful slowing down, it would nosedive into the water/mud and throw everybody into the front windshield. There were no seatbelts due to (unfounded IMO) concerns about the vehicle flipping. Or possible manly manly man manness and the “flipping” was a post hoc justification.

Joanna
9 years ago

@cassandra There’s also some safety issues with it as well. I think flying cars (unless there was a tube network set in place) would be far more dangerous than normal cars. If they broke down, you’d fall to your death =/

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

>>>www. infinite-energy.com is a good place to start

I called it! I fucking called it! You ARE a fucking “Infinite Energy” loon! I knew it.

I wish I was a conman because now I have a 100% guaranteed mark. Jesus. Gold loon AND free energy loon at once? Think of all the money I could make scamming you.

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Meller: You’re funny, in a twisted 1950s/victorian fetishist kind of way. But you’re still a sexist fuckwit who can’t back up a single statement he’s made here about gender or politics (at least not with actual citations from actual, reputable sources. ‘I pulled this out of my ass, it is absolute fact’ in not, in fact, a valid citation. Shocking, I know.)

KathleenB
KathleenB
9 years ago

Meller: I will happily put my general knowledge and IQ up against yours.

blitzgal
9 years ago

No. Women couldn’t work back then. There’d be no difference.

One quibble. Women have always worked. From working the family farm alongside their male relatives, to factory work in the 19th and early 20th centuries, to domestic work. Poor women and women of color have *always* worked in this country. At one point, the vast majority African American women in this country were slaves — and working.

There was also a progressive surge in culture and education among women during the 20’s and 30’s. It wasn’t until after WWII when women were pressured to give up their jobs for returning GIs that our culture regressed to the “domestic bliss” of the 50’s that folks like DKM pretend was always the case.

But this still illustrates how absolutely nothing DKM says is remotely factual. He’s a moron with no concept of history, and an outright liar to boot.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

I don’t have any pics, unfortunately, since I wasn’t living with Dad by that point. I know he hated the damn thing, though, and he did say that it didn’t feel very stable or safe.

Joanna
9 years ago

“One quibble. Women have always worked.”

Ah yeah but very few were inventing and stuff.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

What if (purely hypothetically, now) if the curve of progress had remained in the XX century what it was in the period roughly 1750-1900, would we have had, e.g. color HDTV in 1928, a working transistor by 1935, PEACEFUL nuclear power by 1939, manned space travel by 1948, and on a commercial basis a decade or so after, maglev transcontinental rail service (both freight and passanger) by 1955, SST by 1960, commercially viable electric vehicles by 1975, and the internet/cellphones–with the supporting hardware–by c.1982?

I like how in Manland we have HDTV before the transistor and it’s still 50 years until we get the Internet.

But to answer your question, DKM, if progress had remained steady after 1900 it would have been disastrous. Progress has increased exponentially! In computing it’s called Moore’s Law.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
9 years ago

Can someone just invent a game that’s a combination of steampunk and Gor for Meller to play so that he can get out all that anger in a more constructive way?

blitzgal
9 years ago

But to answer your question, DKM, if progress had remained steady after 1900 it would have been disastrous. Progress has increased exponentially! In computing it’s called Moore’s Law.

Yeah, gotta love it. There’ve been more technological advances in the past 100 years than the previous several centuries, but to DKM, that’s NOT FAST ENOUGH. And, of course, women’s fault.

Dracula
Dracula
9 years ago

Meller, at his point I would suggest that you give up on spewing your utter bullshit here and instead devote yourself full-time to writing speculative fiction.

That’s basically all you do anyway, so why waste your time with us? It’s not like we appreciate it. You can read it to your dolls if you need an audience.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

“is feminism, and gender equality utterly unnatural? ”
No. Good and natural is two different things. Murder, for example, is in part natural but we have laws to forbid it.
Next question?

“it’s questionable that without [Mary Shelley] the idea would never have arisen but I digress”
She became famous not only because it was well written but because the story addressed the society’s anxiety caused by the fast and seemingly incontrollable development of science. So maybe somebody else could have done it. So what?

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

Oups, reading fail. Yes, feminism and gender equality is unnatural.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

In other words, the same technological breakthroughs, in (more-or-less) the same order, but substantially accelerated.

Extending educational opportunities to all people has had the effect of creating those breakthroughs.

The faster that you make it possible, the more likely you make life better for everyone, not just a few people.

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I forgot, why is it women’s fault if we don’t have infinite energy?

Joanna
9 years ago

@Kyrie

Kyrie
Kyrie
9 years ago

I watched. It’s Homer’s fault, and therefore all male, if we don’t have perpetual motion machines.

It's2011-WhereRSexBots

From the linked article above “Engineering and sexism”…

“One female student, Cassie Parkos, speaks about how hard it is to be an engineer, saying she gets whistled at, asked out…”

Oh the horrors! She get’s asked out. How dare anyone do such a sexist thing!

Joanna
9 years ago

A woman in an engineering class is not an automatic invitation to sex.

It's2011-WhereRSexBots

“A woman in an engineering class is not an automatic invitation to sex.”

Tell me about it! Women in general want the “hottest” stud around and nothing less, but women in engineering are even more picky! I guess it’s because they have such a wide range of studs to select from since a woman is usually the only woman in a class full of dudes. Some classes I’ve had actually had TWO women in them!

Since when is asking a woman out equivalent to demanding sex? If I asked out a woman by demanding sex, I’m sure I’d be expelled and they’d just laugh, unless I was a total stud of course.

Simple rules for avoiding sexual harassment lawsuits:

1) Be handsome.
2) Be attractive.
3) Don’t be unattractive.

That pretty much sums up the “sexual harassment” thing.

Tatjna
Tatjna
9 years ago

Or possibly

4) Don’t sexually harrass people.

(i know, this might require you to consider classrooms as places of education and your job as a place of work, instead of, you know.. a meat market. you can if you try)

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

What’s totally weird is that some people who have been accused of sexual harassment by some women have also been dated by other women. Not all sexual harassers are single!

I’ll pause while your brain explodes.

It's2011-WhereRSexBots

So, what exactly, is “sexual harassment”? If I ask a woman out, while not being a total stud, is that considered “sexual harassment”?

Tatjna
Tatjna
9 years ago

Not generally, but there are quite a few ways that the asking out could become sexual harrassment depending on context, persistence, skeeviness, etc.

But you know this already.

Holly Pervocracy
9 years ago

This “asking out while ugly” thing is such a cover for every kind of sexual harassment I’ve ever experienced. None of which involved being asked at out at all! Instead I had one guy corner me in his office after work and try to trick me into watching porn with him (he asked me to watch his “art film,” then yelled at me for backing out when it turned out to be hardcore porn) and another guy joking in front of the entire office about me having sex with the only other woman in the company.

So much for your earnest, misunderstood suitors.

BlackBloc
BlackBloc
9 years ago

You seem to be having no problem with the word ‘sexual’ so I guess what must be tripping you up is the word ‘harrassment’.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/%27harassment

You’re welcome.

Joanna
9 years ago

If she says no the first time then leave her alone. Otherwise you’re harassing her. I mean if I said, “Here, eat this tuna sandwich I made for you.” and you said no cos you didn’t like tuna, well it would be pretty unruly of me to force my tuna sandwich on you.

It's2011-WhereRSexBots

Tricking a person into watching porn is harassment I would say, but I’ve never done that and I would never try that either! Joking about a person’s sexual orientation or preferences is harassment too I would say.

But simply asking a woman out is certainly not “to trouble, torment, or confuse by continual persistent attacks, questions, etc”. Maybe if I kept asking every time I saw the woman or something. But if she says no, I just move on, simple as that.

Anyone who thinks asking a woman out once is “sexual harassment” needs their head examined.

Viscaria
Viscaria
9 years ago

A woman in an engineering class is not an automatic invitation to sex.

I was lurking in conversation about the chilly climate in STEM, um, somewhere (Pharyngula?) and there was one particularly persistent young man talking how the idea that male engineering students would contribute to a chilly climate for female students was crazy. After all, they wanted more women! To expand the dating pool!

There was not enough facepalm in the world.

ithiliana
9 years ago

@DKM: I agree — much of the changes associated with feminism required laws.

Unlike you, I don’t see that a problem because TAH DAH, denying women equal access to education and employment and you know little things like voting and having a bank account in our own names REQUIRED LAWS too!

See, legally enforced oppression and discrimination is NOT natural: although kyriarchal ideology works through embedding the idea that it is natural (i.e. all the crap you think is natural, isn’t, but you think it is). Fighting legally enforced oppression can be done in part through LAWS — human beings are animals who create culture, and cultural changes operate through culture.

What you see as the epitome of marital relationships is profoundly unnatural (IF you look at the ways in which hunter-gatherer tribes survived for a gazillion years, way before they UNNATURALLY invented agriculture).

So I have NO problem with supporting the unnatural idea that women can have equal access and choice and opportunity.

And I’m going to die a lot happier than you, dude.