All those jobs going overseas? Blame it on the ladies. At least according to MRA blogger The Fifth Horseman – the guy behind The Misandry Bubble, a bizarre apocalyptic manifesto that took the manosphere by storm last year. In a heavily upvoted comment on The Spearhead, TFH explains:
Not many people realize that outsourcing happens mostly due to feminism.
Feminists impose all sorts of costs on businesses in the US, who are forced to employ women despite the low productivity of these female employees.
Since an office is not allowed to have too many men, the next best answer is to move the entire department to India or China, where Western feminists can no longer harass it.
Since Western women cost more than what Western men produce, outsourcing is inevitable, as a means to avoid feminism.
The blogger behind the Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Technology blog was impressed enough with this argument that he featured it in a post of his own, adding
Plenty of people have tried to run the numbers on the offshoring of jobs, but they can never figure out where the savings are supposed to be. Business would only offshore jobs if it made financial sense, and running the numbers indicates that it doesn’t make financial sense because any savings gets eaten up by the costs of offshoring. That is the case until you include the costs of feminism in the analysis. When someone runs the numbers on offshoring, they don’t include things like the costs of the false sexual harassment industry, affirmative action, and pure makework jobs for women in their analysis. As soon as feminism is included, offshoring makes perfect financial sense for business. …
If you want jobs to come back to the US (and elsewhere), then you have to eliminate feminism.
Yeah, that’s gotta be it.
“pure makework jobs for women”
I’m puzzled by this phrase. Are they saying that companies are creating “busy work” jobs just so that they can employ enough women to not look sexist? That’s… just as sexist as not hiring women at all.
I’ve only recently been introduced to Feminism and Men’s Rights Advocacy, so things like this still throw me for a loop. I have a hard time believing people like this actually exist. Perhaps I’m just sheltered.
In a general sense, they’re right. A lot of the reason offshoring is profitable is that other countries have far lower standards for fair and safe treatment of workers.
(That’s not all of it; there’s also currency differences, cheaper land and materials, laxer environmental differences, and so forth.)
Where I part ways with the MRAs: this is a bad thing! It is a crappy-ass, imperialistic, not-in-my-backyardy, terrible thing that respected US companies are willing to abuse workers in other countries. (Many of whom are women anyway. And for the men, working in an export factory or a night-shift call center isn’t necessarily a masculine empowerment fantasy.) And the answer is not to lower the US’s standards until our workers are just as easy to exploit!
MRAs: Taking Stupid To Entirely New Levels Every Day!
These guys seriously think that there’s a sexual harassment suit a day at any place that employs women.
Feminism is the new 42…
Admittedly my area of knowledge in outsourcing is only maquiladoras and it may be different in other countries, but maquiladoras preferentially hire women because they’ll work for lower wages (they generally don’t have to support a family) and are thought to be more industrious and better at fine detail work.
Katz – Yep! Just like every act of sex ends in a false rape accusation and every time a man speaks to a woman is street harassment, every woman with a job got it through an equal-opportunity lawsuit and keeps it via sexual harassment allegations.
And the last is particularly prone to gaslighting, because if I say “No, I got my job because I had five years of experience and excellent references,” they can always say “yeah, that’s what you think.” How am I supposed to disprove that?
This is the “red pill”–the ability to reframe commonplace events into absurdly paranoid but unfalsifiable narratives.
This has happened sometimes in American companies as well here in the US.
American companies also make this assumption about women when handing out raises-men are presumed to be taking care of a family so they get higher wages, this especially happens after a man gets married.
*puts out an Anti-You Know Who Charm*
“Where I part ways with the MRAs….”
That’s how it it with every MRA. They start off with a relatively uncontroversial claim like “Outsourcing is bad, mmkay” and then go off on a hate-filled tangent that ends with the conclusion, “And that’s why women are the root of all evil!”
I have to say, coming fresh from an exam in a class on developing poor countries, women are employed more often than men, for a variety of reasons.
First, as ozy points out, women tend to be willing to work for less, thus costing the company less . However, they do support their family back home, but are desperate enough for work that they’ll accept almost any job at almost any pay (see the documentary China Blue for more on this in China, though it is a little anvilicious)
Also, there’s the fact that the lack of governmental regulations, both for workers and for the environment, leads directly to lower costs, therefore decreasing costs for consumers in the global North.
Unfortunately, the jobs that tend to get outsourced tend to be blue collar, traditionally male-dominated jobs, such as factory production. There are still blue-collar jobs within the U.S., (see electricians, architects etc), and they tend to get paid extremely well for what they do (do to reasons unrelated to outsourcing). However, where traditional men’s jobs get outsourced, traditional women’s jobs (sales, secretary, office assistant type work) have become more and more white-collar with increased demand for college degrees.
Thus, there is a limited amount of support for a “man-cession”, but it is due to factors not even remotely close to those brought up by MRAs.
Also, I thought sexual harassment cases rarely go anywhere? and since when are jobs make-work in this economy?
Funniest part? I bet these are the same assholes who hate unions.
Pulling shit out of your ass doesn’t make it true. Show me the federal law that requires offices to maintain a strict gender ratio for their employees. It doesn’t exist, dipshit.
As a person (indeed — a woman!) who lost my job due to the evil CEO of my evil company shipping the jobs to India, I have some thoughts on this.
Actually, our office had plenty of men. Our office was moved to India (or rather, the work it did was) because the offshore setup costs were minimal (they didn’t have to move any equipment; just train a few people to train people) because they could hire people to do our work at a fraction of the cost of our (men too, remember) salaries and benefits. The company under new management decided it didn’t really need quality work done by trained professionals with experience in the industry; it could give its customers an inferior product and eat the costs of lawsuits later.
I … can’t really see how feminism played into it. It’s true that I kept my job for a couple years after almost everyone else was let go, but only because I was willing to work for offshore wages and no benes. A couple dollars a day sometimes. My far-out theory was that corporations are fucking bastards, but no. Blaming it on feminism makes a lot more sense.
Not only would this make life very difficult for someone looking to hire a lumberjack or airline pilot, it would also be a serious pain for someone hiring a nurse or kindergarten teacher.
What you can’t do is reject female applicants to your lumberjacking operation because they’re female. (Which in reality is very hard to prove, because job openings these days usually have a bunch of applicants and proving which one was “most qualified” is complex.) But if only men are applying, or if men are the most qualified, you can absolutely hire 100% men to do your lumberjackery.
All the outsourced jobs are going to men. It’s men in sweatshops and call centers men men men? I don’t even know where to start. I’m just gonna laugh here and not bother to engage mental activity in response. That way lies brain damage.
blitzgal; – “Funniest part? I bet these are the same assholes who hate unions.”
But of course. The illogic and shooting of self in feet always piles on.
@ Holly:
I love the word “lumberjackery” for all kinds of reasons that have nothing to do with lumberjackery.
I’ve also read and heard that attractive, young american white women are being “outsourced” for the skin trade……….O_O
Someone will stroll up in here endlessly whining about Pepsi not hiring him in favor of women because quotas. Because the recruiter told him so, therefore it is gospel.
In b 4 that bullshit.
You thought wrong, Grinner. Sex related litigation is Big bu$ine$$ for attorneys in america, and costs millions to companies large and small.
And BTW, FYI, in poor developing countries, EVERYBODY has to work! Men, women, and children. The only difference is that women tend to be assigned to jobs that involve repetitive tasks and find motor skills, like textiles and clothing manufacture(among other things).
Whereas western men of course are totally willing to take the same pay as the people from the countries jobs are outsourced to, right?
Well, shit, if you say so. Got numbers, or just a general nagging sense that you can’t slap your coworkerss asses even though that’s how I express myself!
Not like here, where only men and women have to work.
It’s weird that women can be stealing all the man jobs at the same time as they’re staying home eating bon-bons while men work. Has anyone synthesized those two bits of tinfoil?
What? Your sooper seekrit cloning/assimilation machine is broken?
I just clone myself in the morning, so that one of me can go off and look for jobs (particularly at hardware stores, car dealerships, and other places more men might work). One of me stays home knitting all day and watches Food Network, while my fiance goes off earning “real money.”
Then before he gets home, the working-me comes home to re-assimilate. He’s none the wiser!
Off topic in regard to specifics of OP, but relevant to ongoing MRA claims that feminists control the judiciary and women always fleece men in divorce cases:
http://www.10news.com/news/29943161/detail.html
Yep, women sure do control the legal system, and men are the only ones ever screwed!
Oh, I already have a cloning machine, but I’m using it to simultaneously whore around like the town bike and cruelly deny sex to men.
Pulling shit out of your ass doesn’t make it true. Show me the federal law that requires offices to maintain a strict gender ratio for their employees. It doesn’t exist, dipshit.
federal law actually says you can’t do that. or at least, the supreme court has interpreted title vii to say that. as it currently stands, using quotas is generally considered an unacceptable method of complying with anti-discrimination requirements.
No quotas? That’s unpossible! NWO says quotas are real. Has he ever been wrong before?
Oh…right. Never mind.