Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, cheester warns all of us dudes about an especially insidious form of anti-male oppression: the racks of women’s magazines that lurk near the checkout counters of grocery stores everywhere!
can I get some feedback on womens magazines at the grocery checkout? Every issue states “new tricks he doesn’t know in bed” and shite like that. It’s obvious porn for the gals but why is it so accepted by everyone that it has carte blanche to be within a two foot reach as I pay for my food? If a magazine for men had on the cover: “20 Ways To Make Her Squirm Like A Fish”….there would be a national outrage.
Yeah, it’s not like Men’s magazines ever run anything like that.
Church groups and womens rights would say it demoralizes women and have the publication banned or put behind censored racks in seedy smoke shops.
Yeah. It’s not like this ever happens to women’s magazines.
But the womens mags are right there as a last shop item in the flourescent lit, sterilized, family atmosphere where every mother parades her toddlers and kids right past the 3 letter word in big black block letters;SEX on the cover of every flashy colored womens mag that comes out each month.
Not only is this oppression of men, it’s oppression of all toddlers who can read and know what the word “sex” means.
Also, feminists have never criticized women’s magazines in any way. “Ten Ways to Make Him Squirm” articles are the distilled essence of feminism! And most of them are written by the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
NOTE: Does this even need a “sarcasm” tag?
*sigh* So much misuse over the concept of a study…
Everyone, a “study” is NOT a beat stick used to beat your opponent into agreeing with you. Properly done, (assuming no lying/misrepresentation has occured), a study is simply a way of demonstrating some fact. If that fact matches your ideology, congratulations! That part of your ideology is justified.
The reason you need to be careful of where the source is from is because of the possibility of lying/misrepresentation/etc. You do not dismiss a study simply because it was funded/started by someone on the opposing team. You do not dismiss a study simply because it was funded/started by someone on the opposing team.
You do not dismiss a study simply because it was funded/started by someone on the opposing team.
To dismiss a study, you need to show that something is fault either with the methodology or the interpretation. Can we please just cut the crap about “this was a feminist study!!! *gasp*” and “this was an MRA study, scandal!” We have two groups here with conflicting ideology, and people who are seeking to figure out the truth. Studies are a way to do that. You do not dismiss a study on the grounds that it was funded/started by someone on the opposing team.
Clear?
*Bows to Kirby* Amen. Amen.
Now I can’t stop drawing Scenes From DKMland.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/wolfychan/realwoman.jpg
There’s something about a flamy-headed kirby coming in and bringing the sense up in here.
Holly – I don’t know if she’s fluffy enough!
I think the “rar” is the best part.
Seriously, lol.
Kirby: Sorry, but I’m dismissing any studies done by creation scientists.
And by evo-psychologists.
I don’t have the statistical training to evaluate a lot of the social-science out there (English teacher), and my own academic discipline sort of doesn’t do studies.
So when I need to refer to studies, I do what I did above–look for a variety of studies, done by a number of different entities (and I will say that studies done FOR PROFIT paid for by the businesses aiming to make a profit also have to be looked at especially carefully), and get the best consensus I can.
@Holly: Ooh, your “real woman” can talk and express opinions? Turnoff!
Of course, in order to actually find a flaw in a study, you have to do a few things:
1.) have an understanding of statistics
2.) have an understanding of the forms, norms, procedures, limitations and expectations of a particular kind of study (yes, a biological study and psych study have things in common, but being familiar with those specific fields can help with the more nuanced parts and why a particular procedure is good/bad for a particular problem.)
3.) READ THE DAMNED STUDY
I’m doubting that DKM even read the part of ithiliana’s post where zie pointed out that “This was produced by a county prosecutor,” so I’m betting that reading a whole study isn’t in the cards.
What happened? I blacked out…
@ithiliana:
Yeah, see in both of those cases you have grounds because of a history of both groups providing really bad evidence… At some point, you just don’t bother with bad sources any more…
Problem is that that history needs to happen first. What I suspect has happened is that both DKM and Brandon have believed for the longest time that Feminists always lie, and from there have gotten the idea that “feminists have been lying for so long, they aren’t worth taking seriously any more,” never once actually bothering to invalidate a group of studies supporting feminist notions blah blah blah.
I’m sure the point will sail right over both of them, hence the 4x repetition.
Hmm, I know my biology okay; how different can psych possibly be? Just generate a bunch of transgenic human babies, expose them to various stimuli, take out their brains and perform various assays on them and BOOM you got your data! Easy peasy.
@Holly: Ooh, your “real woman” can talk and express opinions? Turnoff!
Only when you pull the string on her back, though. So that’s not so bad.
Hey, if I’m going to be an aggressive dinosaur I want to be the little thing with the frilly ruff that spat acid in the guy’s eyes in Jurassic Park.
Dilophosaurus!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilophosaurus
Well then.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v92/wolfychan/?action=view¤t=femdinosaur.jpg
Woops, wrong link. http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/wolfychan/femdinosaur.jpg
So cute, but so vicious! It’s like a shrike in reptile form.
Joanna wrote that
“Abusers should just die alone.”
I say that no abuse is warranted. A man punching a woman is horrific as is a woman throwing an object at a man to harm him.
Just as important is domestic verbal/emotional abuse. Domestic abuse is wrong equally whether it is a wife abusing a husband or a husband abusing a wife. This is a simple valid MRA take on domestic abuse,
heroicman, “Domestic abuse is wrong equally whether it is a wife abusing a husband or a husband abusing a wife” that is valid. But it doesn’t give an accurate picture of what the MRA is about. As I said, as an abuse victim, I was initially open to the nascent MRA and what I thought could be a very important perspective on domestic violence, helping to bring male victims out of the shadows. But what happened is that the MRA fell into a storm of misogyny, revenge fantasy, and illogic. See also this woman, a domestic violence survivor and libertarian writer who was a huge supporter of the MRA until it all became too much. This isn’t about a few bad apples.
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/news.php?item.1381
“.I was a victim of domestic violence once and I no longer sanction anyone else beating me up…let alone beating me up because I am trying to help and, so, come within striking range.”
to which I can only say Amen.
I don’t know if I agree with that heroicman. Obviously throwing shit to cause harm is wrong and warrants an arrest, but in terms of severity a punch is worse. Especially if you’re being punched by a man. MRAs can’t just brag about biological differences when it pleases them. Men are generally physically stronger so any physical violence will cause worse harm.
Again, I’m not condoning throwing stuff or saying women who do should be let off the hook for it, but a punch is more likely to cause harm and probably harder to dodge too.
For the record, I totally agree with Brandon. One should only trust studies performed, or funded, by a party so disinterested, they can’t even be motivated to conduct the study in the first place.
Zhixny Quackers,
I think it is a waste of time to debate which hurts more a punch or a steak knife thrown to the head? Remember also verbal abuse is also horrific.
Ultimately whether it is a husband abusing a wife or a wife abusing a husband it is equally wrong. MRA and Feminist concern is equal in this issue.
There is a good link http://www.avoiceformen.com/a-voice-for-men/avfm-radio/dr-t-the-siren-song-of-crazy-toxic-women/
This women Dr. Tara Palmitieri she is a psychologist that counsels men who are victims of emotional domestic abuse by women.
It is equally incorrect for a man to abuse a woman and for a woman to abuse a man.
We have seen some of Dr. Palmitieri’s articles here on Manboobz before. Those of us aware of her do not have a high opinion of her.
To be incredibly kind.