Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, cheester warns all of us dudes about an especially insidious form of anti-male oppression: the racks of women’s magazines that lurk near the checkout counters of grocery stores everywhere!
can I get some feedback on womens magazines at the grocery checkout? Every issue states “new tricks he doesn’t know in bed” and shite like that. It’s obvious porn for the gals but why is it so accepted by everyone that it has carte blanche to be within a two foot reach as I pay for my food? If a magazine for men had on the cover: “20 Ways To Make Her Squirm Like A Fish”….there would be a national outrage.
Yeah, it’s not like Men’s magazines ever run anything like that.
Church groups and womens rights would say it demoralizes women and have the publication banned or put behind censored racks in seedy smoke shops.
Yeah. It’s not like this ever happens to women’s magazines.
But the womens mags are right there as a last shop item in the flourescent lit, sterilized, family atmosphere where every mother parades her toddlers and kids right past the 3 letter word in big black block letters;SEX on the cover of every flashy colored womens mag that comes out each month.
Not only is this oppression of men, it’s oppression of all toddlers who can read and know what the word “sex” means.
Also, feminists have never criticized women’s magazines in any way. “Ten Ways to Make Him Squirm” articles are the distilled essence of feminism! And most of them are written by the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
NOTE: Does this even need a “sarcasm” tag?
@Holly: We’ll see. You can bring the popcorn.
You can’t start telling people on the Internet about your cool girlfriend Holly who does whatever you want just because we had this little exchange, Brandon.
The first thing my ex ever punched me for was waking him up at the time when he had explicitly made me promise to wake him up.
I share this not because I particularly want or need sympathy or anything, but simply because it happens to be a particularly simple refutation of the idiotic suggestion that abusers wouldn’t abuse you if you’d just be good and submissive and do what they say.
“Studies” by whom? The Ms. Foundation? Take Back the Night? Fund for a Feminist Majority? You are quite right, I am not going to take their propaganda seriously! That there are rather few studies, according to you, detailing how accomodating a spouse who may be ‘abusive” under certain conditions is a shortcoming if there are at least possibilities that in some cases an attack may be prevented, especially since, with all of your feminist studies, you have no success to show for it!
@Holly: See, why do you have to ruin it?
/me laughs and waits for Mellertoady to right ithiliana’s post.
Isn’t he some sort of badass haxz0r though? I mean, he works in IT.
Hey… does anyone here know how to diagram sentences?
@DKM: “Studies” by whom? The Ms. Foundation? Take Back the Night? Fund for a Feminist Majority? You are quite right, I am not going to take their propaganda seriously! That there are rather few studies, according to you, detailing how accomodating a spouse who may be ‘abusive” under certain conditions is a shortcoming if there are at least possibilities that in some cases an attack may be prevented, especially since, with all of your feminist studies, you have no success to show for it!
Read my big fuckingass long post. Click the links. Read the other pages at the prosecuting attorney of Clark county’s page.
READ THE INFORMATION YOU SLITHERING CESSPOOL OF MALIGNANT MISOGYNY…and then we’ll talk.
@Holly: I can do a basic grammatical structural analysis if you’d like (not quite like the traditional diagramming I learned in 1972, but using systemic functional grammar.
Gimme a few minutes….
Feminism is a socialist, anti-family, political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians.
Wow. Feminism is even more awesome than I had previously imagined.
Abusers should just die alone.
“READ THE INFORMATION YOU SLITHERING CESSPOOL OF MALIGNANT MISOGYNY…and then we’ll talk.”
This particular keyboard smash has my vote of approval.
! That there are rather few studies, according to you, detailing how accomodating a spouse who may be ‘abusive” under certain conditions is a shortcoming if there are at least possibilities that in some cases an attack may be prevented, especially since, with all of your feminist studies, you have no success to show for it!
– Why should this spouse be accomidated? And as I said before, are you of the opinion that abuse victims do NOT typically blame themselves for provoking the abuser and try their damnedest to follow their rules? In many ways, it’s not “about gender.” The dynamic Holly mentioned with her mother was present in my relationship. (True Story: My initial sympathy to the MRA that might-have-been was because I was hoping we could arrive at a commonly-accepted theory of domestic violence that fully included female-on-male without playing who has it worse games… My complete disgust with the MRA movement that happened.., Yeah. )
I have no interest in accomodating abusive people. No surprises that Meller thinks women should, though.
Again, Meller, you are a monster with control issues. Seek immediate psychiatric assistance.
Meller: One more time. You have said that abuse of another person, including hitting them, is always, always, ALWAYS wrong, yes? So, if you take this position, how do you get from ‘don’t hit your spouse/significant other’ to ‘go ahead, as long as they provoke you’? This isn’t a question you can have multiple answers to. Either you are for or against spousal abuse. Which one is it? (as if we need to ask)
Now I kinda wanna try and combine these two things, maybe by rolling up a Cosmo and smacking Meller on the nose with it every time he says something dumb. If he were more doll-like I wouldn’t have to do that!
“My complete disgust with the MRA movement that happened”
I have a lot of male friends and so I’m all for men’s rights and such but these guys just take the piss.
I finished my diagram!
(disclaimer: I have no idea how to diagram sentences. The following is purely a work of interpretative word art.)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v92/wolfychan/diagram.jpg
Holly: That is a work of art.
Holly. – The dinosaur brings it all into focus…
@Holly: Not the traditional diagram I learned in 1972, but a clause/syntax analysis.
That there are rather few studies,[DEPENDENT CLAUSE SERVING AS GRAMMATICAL SUBJECT FOR SENTENCE]
according to you, [PARENTHETICALVERBAL PHRASE ATTRIBUTING CLAIM]
detailing how accomodating a spouse [VERBAL PHRASE MODIFYING “STUDIES”] who may be ‘abusive” under certain conditions [ MODIFIES “SPOUSE” ]
is a shortcoming [IS=MAIN VERB] [“a shortcoming” describes “That there are rather few studies…etc. If sentence ended here, it wouldn’t be too bad, just sort of clunky, but the real hot mess starts below]
if there are at least possibilities [IF=conjunction, introducing a usually imagined or hypothetical situation; sets up dependent clause, meaning dependent for meaning on what went before in main clause: so “that there are few studies is a shortcoming IF there are possibilities”]
that in some cases (of abusive spouses) an attack (by an abusive spouse) may be prevented (by the accomodating spouse), [another dependent clause, the hypothetical situation set up by IF clause before this one]
especially since, [SINCE working as conjunction here, with meaning of BECAUSE]
with all of your feminist studies, [unclear as phrased: I’d gloss as “all of the feminist studies you have done” “you” meaning all feminists or all feminists doing studies]
you have no success to show for it! [SECOND MAIN CLAUSE, “you” is unclear, but I’d assume feminists doing or quoting studies] [IT=UNCLEAR PRONOUN REFERENT: “it” grammatically applies to nearest noun, which is “success” but may apply to “success with studies” which are plural, so pro/agreement error as well. Pronoun may refer to “accommodating a spouse who may be abusive and preventing the abuse by being submissive”–again, guessing from the context, not from the actual grammar of the sentence).
Focusing on the main clauses: “That there are rather few studies….is a shortcoming….especially since with all of your feminist studies you have to success to show for it.”
I think he’s talking about how more studies (feminist?) might show that submissive/dolly behavior would prevent an abusive spouse from abusing. But in fact, the two independent clauses that start and end the sentence do not in fact seem to connect in any meaningful way. All the dependent clauses scattered between the main clauses muddy up the meaning considerably.
@Holly: I like how there’s a drawing of a “real woman” in the middle of that diagram, and a drawing of a feminist at the bottom. Rar. ^^
So Meller, hypothetically if you ever ended up with a woman and she demanded that you should have a guy-guy threesome under penalty of a flogging, would you:
a) Do what she wants to avoid getting beaten?
b) Say no, get beaten and then do what she wants?
c) Say no, get beaten and leave her?
d) Say no, get beaten and report DV?
Holly, that diagram is awesome.