Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, cheester warns all of us dudes about an especially insidious form of anti-male oppression: the racks of women’s magazines that lurk near the checkout counters of grocery stores everywhere!
can I get some feedback on womens magazines at the grocery checkout? Every issue states “new tricks he doesn’t know in bed” and shite like that. It’s obvious porn for the gals but why is it so accepted by everyone that it has carte blanche to be within a two foot reach as I pay for my food? If a magazine for men had on the cover: “20 Ways To Make Her Squirm Like A Fish”….there would be a national outrage.
Yeah, it’s not like Men’s magazines ever run anything like that.
Church groups and womens rights would say it demoralizes women and have the publication banned or put behind censored racks in seedy smoke shops.
Yeah. It’s not like this ever happens to women’s magazines.
But the womens mags are right there as a last shop item in the flourescent lit, sterilized, family atmosphere where every mother parades her toddlers and kids right past the 3 letter word in big black block letters;SEX on the cover of every flashy colored womens mag that comes out each month.
Not only is this oppression of men, it’s oppression of all toddlers who can read and know what the word “sex” means.
Also, feminists have never criticized women’s magazines in any way. “Ten Ways to Make Him Squirm” articles are the distilled essence of feminism! And most of them are written by the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
NOTE: Does this even need a “sarcasm” tag?
Ah, banality, thy name is Brandon.
Sharcules: That’s funny. She told me you suck at fucking her. Weird huh?
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@Sharcules: I am impressed you took time out to copy and paste Patrick Stewart’s head.
you mean fifteen seconds?
is the internet really that tough for you or are you just lazier than i had imagined?
how duz brandun werk computor box
@Sharcules: That’s 15 seconds I wouldn’t waste on you.
I just read the asexuality thread, and now I has a sad. 🙁
Nothing to add here, other than I was surprised how quickly the thread jumped from 35 to 78 posts…then I saw that Brandon was here. Quick, guys, if we poke him until he says something stupid, we can get this thread to 500 before breakfast!
Dude. You’ve been here more than an hour.
You’re here more than an hour–sometimes it’s more like four or five hours–almost every day.
guys im cut to the quick. some dumb know-nothing wouldnt google a thing to respond to me. this is like, the tragedy of the fucking year.
@kristinmh
i dont know if youve noticed, but his says stupid things without any provocation ever. when we poke him is when he gets all defensive and starts babbling about his childhood.
I was accused here of ignorance of Domestic Violence, and my proposed answer was rejected for that reason. Why should I be taken to task for wanting impartial studies. I am just as willing to give up any of my mistaken beliefs as youall should be if these impartial studies show your assumptions to be based upon flawed information or premises.
This is quite likely since you have addressed yourselves to this issue for a long time, with limited and inconsistant success. You have much less information regarding, for example, same-sex violence, much less info on woman on man violence, the frequency of which intoxicants play a part, etc. It is, primarily (heterosexual)men bad–(heterosexual women-good!
There is nothing wrong with me noticing this, and calling this to your attention, when it is you who broached the subjects of my alleged ignorance.
Mellertoady here,Moewicus, This objection to the likely biases and antimale slant is certainly “understanding and anticipating your objections”. I have every reason to believe that you, and manboobzers and manboobzerettes like you would reject almost any documentation I should provide.
This is certainly NOT making my objection to anythng the opposition says, it is simply asking for simple fairness, that is all. I hope that this answers your objections, Moewicus-toady! Takes one to know one!
@Holly: But you don’t understand…I am waiting to talk to you because I am so madly in love with you. Without you my loins ache. 😉
DKM, impartial studies of what?
Very few impartial studies of “DV prevention by means of improved submissiveness” exist, I’m quite happy to report.
You’re up to dismissive non sequiters already? But the night is so young! You’ve got at least two hours of confused argumentation, one hour of confused argumentation in the opposite direction, and an hour of irrelevant and increasingly disturbing details about your personal life yet to go!
Meller, why do you need a study to show you shouldn’t hit someone? Jesus.
the problem dkm, is that you have no grounding for figuring out what is and is not credible, and youre just going to end screaming about how anything that doesnt validate your preconcieved notions is feminist propaganda. weve been down this road before, nobody here is going to accuse you of knowing what youre talking about. move on.
This is quite likely since you have addressed yourselves to this issue for a long time, with limited and inconsistant success. You have much less information regarding, for example, same-sex violence, much less info on woman on man violence, the frequency of which intoxicants play a part, etc. It is, primarily (heterosexual)men bad–(heterosexual women-good!
all of this is wrong by the way, there are studies on precisely all of those things. but you wouldnt know that because youre not interested in doing any serious research and nobody here is going to waste time on you.
I may also say that in this particular case, this Brandon was absolutely right if he was insisting upon fairness and impartiality in DV so-called “studies”. He wasn’t being “stupid” or ‘clueless” at all. On the other hand, you feminists were the ones who demonstrated both stupidityand dishonesty by attacking his simple and clear request!
Holly, it seems like Brandon’s heart isn’t in it tonight. What a shame.
@hellkell
he agrees you shouldnt hit someone. he needs a study to prove it wasnt the victims fault.
@Holly: Not really. I am throwing in a James Bond flick and going to bed in about 10 minutes. Did you want to watch it with me? It’s Quantum of Solace.
brandon, was right about insisting on fairness and lack of bias. he is however a terrible judge of these things, for reasons having to do with the fact that he is completely clueless.
Mellertoady, you have not answered my objections because what you have written is barely comprehensible at all. To pick something that I thought might be comprehensible, “wah wah undefined anti-male bias” is not a valid objection.
Meller, Brandon never has a simple and clear request, not ever.
And again I ask why you need a study to back up the claim that you just. shouldn’t. hit.
Man, that movie totally wasted all the “James Bond is hip and modern now!” potential that Casino Royale built up.
@Sharculese: Oh, I’m willing, not that I think it will DO anything, but here’s a nice overview of facts about Domestic Violence collated from a large number of studies.
Just for Brandon and DKM! Suck on that boys, and then look me in the internet eyes and tell me that there are no credible studies on Domestic Violence.
Skipping over the sites that are women’s centers and domestic violence organizations, I found “Fast Facts” on a county prosecutor’s office. Now, I know NWO will say the women control the prosecuting attorneys, but if you look at the sources they cite for these FACTS, you’ll see the research is done by a large variety of sources (U.S. federal level, law enforcement, CDC, as well as a variety of organizations specializing in domestic violence, but also insurance companies–though I may have missed the “feminists take over all the insurance companies which means they’re gonna stop paying for your viagra boys as soon as they get biased studies on DV).
That’s as good as it gets — find data from a variety of sources, not just one, especially if you’re not qualified to evaluate the methodologies of any one study. This site also has a dedicated page for Men as Domestic Violence Victims.
So, check it out yourself, but I copied the facts: Brandon and DKM, is this fucking objective and unbiased enough to convince you that Domestic Violence is a real, observable social problem, and not just a bunch of women whining or provoking men to hit them (or men provoking women to hit them) If not, show me the equivalent that DISPROVES it.
Fast Facts on Domestic Violence
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/facts.htm
Men as Domestic Violence Victims: http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/domviol/men.htm
Domestic violence is the leading cause of injury to women between the ages of 15 and 44 in the United States, more than car accidents, muggings, and rapes combined. (“Violence Against Women, A Majority Staff Report,” Committee on the Judiciary, United States Senate, 102nd Congress, October 1992, p.3.)
There are 1,500 shelters for battered women in the United States. There are 3,800 animal shelters. (Schneider, 1990).
Three to four million women in the United States are beaten in their homes each year by their husbands, ex-husbands, or male lovers. (“Women and Violence,” Hearings before the U.S. Senate Judiciary Committee, August 29 and December 11, 1990, Senate Hearing 101-939, pt. 1, p. 12.)
One woman is beaten by her husband or partner every 15 seconds in the United States. (Uniform Crime Reports, Federal Bureau of Investigation, 1991).
One in every four women will experience domestic violence in her lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. National Institute of Justice and the Centers of Disease Control and Prevention, “Extent, Nature and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence: Findings from the National Violence Against Women Survey,” 2000; Sara Glazer, “Violence, Against Women” CO Researcher, Congressional Quarterly, Inc., Volume 3, Number 8, February, 1993, p. 171; The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and The National Institute of Justice, Extent, Nature, and Consequences of Intimate Partner Violence, July 2000; The Commonwealth Fund, Health Concerns Across a Woman’s Lifespan: 1998 Survey of Women’s Health, 1999).
In 1992, the American Medical Association reported that as many as 1 in 3 women will be assaulted by a domestic partner in her lifetime — 4 million in any given year. (“When Violence Hits Home.” Time. June 4, 1994).
An estimated 1.3 million women are victims of physical assault by an intimate partner each year. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)
85% of domestic violence victims are women. (Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003)
Police report that between 40% and 60% of the calls they receive, especially on the night shift, are domestic violence disputes. (Carrillo, Roxann “Violence Against Women: An Obstacle to Development,” Human Development Report, 1990)
Police are more likely to respond within 5 minutes if an offender is a stranger than if an offender is known to a female victim. (Ronet Bachman, Ph.D. “Violence Against Women: A National Crime Victimization Survey Report.” U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice and Statistics. January 1994, p. 9.)
Battering occurs among people of all races, ages, socio-economic classes, religious affiliations, occupations, and educational backgrounds.
A battering incident is rarely an isolated event.
Battering tends to increase and become more violent over time.
Many batterers learned violent behavior growing up in an abusive family.
25% – 45% of all women who are battered are battered during pregnancy.
Domestic violence does not end immediately with separation. Over 70% of the women injured in domestic violence cases are injured after separation.
1 in 12 women and 1 in 45 men have been stalked in their lifetime. (Tjaden, Patricia & Thoennes, Nancy. (1998). “Stalking in America.” National Institute for Justice)
One in 6 women and 1 in 33 men have experienced an attempted or completed rape. (U.S. Department of Justice, “Prevalence, Incidence, and Consequences of Violence Against Women,” November 1998)
Nearly 7.8 million women have been raped by an intimate partner at some point in their lives. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)
Witnessing violence between one’s parents or caretakers is the strongest risk factor of transmitting violent behavior from one generation to the next. (Frieze, I.H., Browne, A. (1989) Violence in Marriage. In L.E. Ohlin & M. H. Tonry, Family Violence. Chicago, IL: University of Chicago Press. Break the Cycle. (2006). Startling Statistics)
Boys who witness domestic violence are twice as likely to abuse their own partners and children when they become adults. (Strauss, Gelles, and Smith, “Physical Violence in American Families: Risk Factors and Adaptations to Violence” in 8,145 Families. Transaction Publishers 1990)
Children who witness violence at home display emotional and behavioral disturbances as diverse as withdrawal, low self-esteem, nightmares, self-blame and aggression against peers, family members and property. (Peled, Inat, Jaffe, Peter G & Edleson, Jeffery L. (Eds) Ending the Cycle of Violence: Community Responses to Children of Battered Women. Thousand Oaks, California: Sage Publications, 1995.)
30% to 60% of perpetrators of intimate partner violence also abuse children in the household. (Edelson, J.L. (1999). “The Overlap Between Child Maltreatment and Woman Battering.” Violence Against Women. 5:134-154)
The cost of intimate partner violence exceeds $5.8 billion each year, $4.1 billion of which is for direct medical and mental health services.
Victims of intimate partner violence lost almost 8 million days of paid work because of the violence perpetrated against them by current or former husbands, boyfriends and dates. This loss is the equivalent of more than 32,000 full-time jobs and almost 5.6 million days of household productivity as a result of violence. (Costs of Intimate Partner Violence Against Women in the United States. 2003. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)
There are 16,800 homicides and $2.2 million (medically treated) injuries due to intimate partner violence annually, which costs $37 billion. (The Cost of Violence in the United States. 2007. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, National Centers for Injury Prevention and Control. Atlanta, GA.)
One in ten calls made to alert police of domestic violence is placed by a child in the home. One of every three abused children becomes an adult abuser or victim.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) found in a national survey that 34 percent of adults in the United States had witnessed a man beating his wife or girlfriend, and that 14 percent of women report that they have experienced violence from a husband or boyfriend. More than 1 million women seek medical assistance each year for injuries caused by battering. (Federal Bureau of Investigation; U.S. Department of Justice National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS); Horton, 1995. “Family and Intimate Violence”)
The average prison sentence of men who kill their women partners is 2 to 6 years. Women who kill their partners are, on average, sentenced to 15 years. (National Coalition Against Domestic Violence, 1989)
Women accounted for 85% of the victims of intimate partner violence, men for approximately 15%. (Bureau of Justice Statistics Crime Data Brief, Intimate Partner Violence, 1993-2001, February 2003)
Between 600,000 and 6 million women are victims of domestic violence each year, and between 100,000 and 6 million men, depending on the type of survey used to obtain the data. (Rennison, C. (2003, Feb). Intimate partner violence. Us. Dpt. of Justice/Office of Justice Programs. NXJ 197838. Straus, M. & Gelles, R. (1990). Physical violence in American families. New Brunswick, N.J.; Tjaden, P., & Thoennes, N. (2000). Extent, nature, and consequences of intimate partner violence. National Institute of Justice, NCJ 181867)
Women of all races are about equally vulnerable to violence by an intimate partner. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Violence Against Women: Estimates from the Redesigned Survey, August 1995)
People with lower annual income (below $25K) are at a 3-times higher risk of intimate partner violence than people with higher annual income (over $50K). (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S. 1993-2004, 2006.)
On average between 1993 and 2004, residents of urban areas experienced highest level of nonfatal intimate partner violence. Residents in suburban and rural areas were equally likely to experience such violence, about 20% less than those in urban areas. (Bureau of Justice Statistics, Intimate Partner Violence in the U.S. 1993-2004, 2006.)
Nearly three out of four (74%) of Americans personally know someone who is or has been a victim of domestic violence. 30% of Americans say they know a woman who has been physically abused by her husband or boyfriend in the past year. (Allstate Foundation National Poll on Domestic Violence, 2006. Lieberman Research Inc., Tracking Survey conducted for The Advertising Council and the Family Violence Prevention Fund, July – October 1996)