Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, cheester warns all of us dudes about an especially insidious form of anti-male oppression: the racks of women’s magazines that lurk near the checkout counters of grocery stores everywhere!
can I get some feedback on womens magazines at the grocery checkout? Every issue states “new tricks he doesn’t know in bed” and shite like that. It’s obvious porn for the gals but why is it so accepted by everyone that it has carte blanche to be within a two foot reach as I pay for my food? If a magazine for men had on the cover: “20 Ways To Make Her Squirm Like A Fish”….there would be a national outrage.
Yeah, it’s not like Men’s magazines ever run anything like that.
Church groups and womens rights would say it demoralizes women and have the publication banned or put behind censored racks in seedy smoke shops.
Yeah. It’s not like this ever happens to women’s magazines.
But the womens mags are right there as a last shop item in the flourescent lit, sterilized, family atmosphere where every mother parades her toddlers and kids right past the 3 letter word in big black block letters;SEX on the cover of every flashy colored womens mag that comes out each month.
Not only is this oppression of men, it’s oppression of all toddlers who can read and know what the word “sex” means.
Also, feminists have never criticized women’s magazines in any way. “Ten Ways to Make Him Squirm” articles are the distilled essence of feminism! And most of them are written by the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
NOTE: Does this even need a “sarcasm” tag?
Bravo, Ithiliana!
0_o
/me bow to ithiliana.
*claps*
well done ithiliana!
Ithiliana wins the thread.
The next time I blah blah blah – and then shoot me!
Mind if we just skip straight to the denouement of that little saga?
(OMG IMPLIED DEATH THREAT FEMINISTS R WORSE THAN HITLER)
Ithiliana (or however the heck you spell it) @ see above:
In all of this welter of verbiage, (or print), did you write it up weeks or months in advance, and decide to present it, sight unseen to manboobz.com, when the opportunity presented itself?
You knew, and I never made any secret of the fact, what I thought about feminists and modern women (especially over-educated ones) and it did not require great enterprise or assiduity to concoct a plausible response to by objections to such women to so-called domestic violence. I quoted some of YOUR material in the opinions cited, so if I lacked “reading comprehension skills” what does that say about you?
I am not a prosecuting attorney, but I know enough about how their offices operate to understand that they (who after all, are interested in prosecuting and convicting defendants) are NOT going to be objective in DV cases, as long as “Domestic Violence” or “Spousal abuse” is against the law! They are going to cite feminist (and often man-hating) studies alone for that reason alone. Just because I didn’t mention it before doesn’t mean that I don’t know about lawyers, prosecutors, police and court-ordered “investigations”, etc. Their ONLY goal is to convict the accused, preferably by getting the entertainment media, especially lobotomyvision, on their side! Your studies from the “Clark County Prosecutors office”, may have been useful for a lot of things, includ even useful at convicting accused Spousal abuse defendents; but to tell me that it was impartial or “objective” insults my intelligence!
I don’t care if you are a college professor, I could put my IQ up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If I wanted to, but what would be the point? I could say that anybody who would see a government “record” or “study” as impartial is naive, ignorant, or just plain STUPID to the greatest degree, but, again, what would be the point? They LIE about EVERYTHING, not only about domestic violence, and then they get you over-educated, credentialed academic sock-puppets to swear by the findings, then releasing them to the local and national birdcage linings and lobotomyvision broadcasters to give the illusion of ‘freedom of the press”, and then criticise us doubters or sceptics as “misinformed” ot paranoid!
The few citations I gave your “study” in my reply were out of politeness. I didn’t believe a word they–or you–said for a minute!
This is how the game is played today in the USSA. I’m not even blaming you, you are just doing what you are paid to do. ( Hey, for a woman of above-average intelligence, it beats doing laundry, ironing, dusting furniture, cooking, and knitting, especially if husband and children are involved, doesn’t it)?
But I can assure you, I comprehend more on one page of text, even about feminism, than you–or the other overeducated modern women here–can comprehend in an entire book! The difference is that I KNOW when I am being lied to, and you don’t know, or care!
It is almost superfluous to point it out here, but look at our correspondence on this post alone, if you want any insight how it is at least possible that a certain kind of man, probably already with “anger management issues and somewhat paranoid or bad tempered–confronted by an opinionated, over-educated, noisy, pushy, and thoroughly defeminized girl or woman, of whom there are far too many nowadays–reacts badly, becomes furiously angry (especially if she is reckless enough to show him up in front of other people), forgets himself and loses control, and you take it from there…
Yet my theory of “pushing his buttons” is somehow ‘blaming the victim” and is completely worthless for that reason? I am a gentle and civilized person who, given a chance. loves women, and would never hurt them, but there are more than three billion–that is 3,000,000,000–men in the world, and out of that gigantic number, there are some rotten eggs!
Go on, sisterhood from hell.Keep talking about how Ithiliana wins this thread. It won’t do your abused or murdered women any good, but you get to cheer for womynz empowerment, and that is what it is really all about, isn’t it?
“It is almost superfluous to point it out here, but look at our correspondence on this post alone, if you want any insight how it is at least possible that a certain kind of man, probably already with “anger management issues and somewhat paranoid or bad tempered–confronted by an opinionated, over-educated, noisy, pushy, and thoroughly defeminized girl or woman, of whom there are far too many nowadays–reacts badly, becomes furiously angry (especially if she is reckless enough to show him up in front of other people), forgets himself and loses control, and you take it from there…”
Um, if the dude has anger management issues? That’s HIS problem, not the problem of anyone else he happens to meet…
Meller: Ithiliana (or however the heck you spell it)
Did you get that out of your system? Do you feel better?
I ask because that was pointlessly childish.
In all of this welter of verbiage, (or print), did you write it up weeks or months in advance, and decide to present it, sight unseen to manboobz.com, when the opportunity presented itself?
So you admit you didn’t read it. If you had read it you wouldn’t need to ask this, because it’s all topical. Hard as you find it to believe, women are capable of writing, cogently and rapidly.
I don’t care if you are a college professor, I could put my IQ up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays. If I wanted to, but what would be the point?
Could you please us a comma where needed, rather than append a setence fragment to the front of a rhetorical question.
Based on the available evidence your IQ may be, in raw terms, as high as hers, but you lack the skill to put together coherent arguments, deal with historical fact or come to rational decisions from what facts you have chosen to give your attention and imprimatur.
But I can assure you, I comprehend more on one page of text, even about feminism, than you–or the other overeducated modern women here–can comprehend in an entire book! The difference is that I KNOW when I am being lied to, and you don’t know, or care!
Yes, you can. You can (and have) assured us of any number of things. That you believe them fails, in any way, to make them true. 18th century doctors could assure you that malaria and yellow fever were the result of “the falling damps”, and needed a “low diet” to prevent/cure. They were as certain in their misunderstanding and errors as you are in yours.
Yet my theory of “pushing his buttons” is somehow ‘blaming the victim” and is completely worthless for that reason? I am a gentle and civilized person who, given a chance. loves women, and would never hurt them, but there are more than three billion–that is 3,000,000,000–men in the world, and out of that gigantic number, there are some rotten eggs!
And you would be willing to break them. More to the point, you may be gentle (which assumes facts not in evidence), but you don’t actually condemn those who aren’t. You say they are reacting to provocation from shrews and shrikes; that is the women asked for it. That’s placing the blame on the women.
In short you are blaming the victim. The only other interpretation is there was no victim; i.e. the women deserved to be beaten.
Take your pick, because those are the two options you have given yourself.
DKM- Decent human beings Do. Not Hit. Other. People.
This is a concept that the average first grader can understand.
Anger management issues don’t mean ‘I get to hit you, yay!’. Anger management issues mean somebody needs to step up, grow up and learn to manage their damn anger in a responsible manner.
That whole paragraph of yours about how ‘reckless’ it is to disagree with ‘a certain kind of man’ (but not you, oh no, you’re just sayin’) is so freighted with veiled threats that it should be framed. Oh, YOU wouldn’t ever hit someone, like say ithiliana, for disagreeing with you, no no no. But someone might, you know. Nudge nudge, wink, wink.
Shades of a gangster running a protection racket- mighty nice shop you got here, be a shame if someone burned it down. You’re about as subtle as a thrown brick. You have allied yourself, with that paragraph, with the batterers and abusers and murderers. Go you.
I realize this next concept is advanced thinking but I’m going to put it out there anyway.
Women are human beings even when they disagree with you.
Meller, you’re hilarious.
We’ve got:
Meller doesn’t believe ANY study that tells him anything that he didn’t believe already, and also the Dept. of Justice and FBI are feminist organizations. Those facts lie!
“I quoted some of YOUR material in the opinions cited, so if I lacked “reading comprehension skills” what does that say about you?” (That even in finding a source for you that was geared toward the general public, ithiliana sadly aimed too high.)
“Their [prosecutors’] ONLY goal is to convict the accused, preferably by getting the entertainment media, especially lobotomyvision, on their side!” (Not true. Their goal is to win the cases they bring, which means that, a lot of times, they end up not bringing charges if they don’t think they can prove them.)
“It is almost superfluous to point it out here, but look at our correspondence on this post alone, if you want any insight how it is at least possible that a certain kind of man, probably already with “anger management issues and somewhat paranoid or bad tempered–confronted by an opinionated, over-educated, noisy, pushy, and thoroughly defeminized girl or woman, of whom there are far too many nowadays–reacts badly, becomes furiously angry (especially if she is reckless enough to show him up in front of other people), forgets himself and loses control, and you take it from there…” (emphasis added)
U mad?
Actually, seriously, Meller’s a little scary right there. Lack of empathy + anger issues rooted in public humiliation = bad times.
Meller: Don’t tell me you haven’t read any of the posts on this thread that have been directed at you and have stated in no uncertain terms how it happens that an abuser finds ways of shifting goalposts, changing the idea of what is acceptable behavior (both from social norms and from hir own previously accepted ones) and finding anything to lash out at. A person in a relationship with an abuser cannot be not-reckless enough to make the abuser not forget hirself and lose control.
It’s like you’re looking for reasons to excuse abuse. Why is that, Meller?
Meller, I’m going to join Holly question: were do you get your knowledge?
How do you know you’re being lied to? Do you look studies in their eyes and see from their body language that they’re hiding the truth?
Is it the bible, the kuran, the dianetics, or any holy book you use to extrapolate from to form your opinions?
Is everybody always lying to you, is this how you know the studies provided were false?
Do you have voices in your head telling you what’s true or not?
Do your dolls tell you how the world works?
Do you rely on your instinct, on your gut feeling?
Do you think your life experience allow you to understand, for example, how DV works?
How do you decide if you trust a person or a text, especially through the internet?
Bonus: how can the IQ of someone change during the week?
How can you think it was written in advance??
50% is recent quotes, the other 50% is ithiliana commenting these quotes. I understand that you won’t believe these numbers because they come from a feminist, but you can just read the damn post and see for yourself.
Really bad concussion?
FormerElizabeth: ithiliana has a concussion each Saturday night? Or is it DKM, and he gets better at IQ tests when he’s hurting?
It’s too bad DKM didn’t read Ithiliana’s posts. 🙁
I did, and they were awesome.
“I am not a prosecuting attorney, but I know enough about how their offices operate to understand that they (who after all, are interested in prosecuting and convicting defendants) are NOT going to be objective in DV cases, as long as “Domestic Violence” or “Spousal abuse” is against the law! ”
So you think we should legalize both, just to be fair?
“I don’t care if you are a college professor, I could put my IQ up against yours any day of the week and twice on Sundays.”
This is funny. I’ve seen no sign of high intelligence at all in any of your comments. Signs of mental illness, yes, but a fine and robust intellect? Not so much.
“The difference is that I KNOW when I am being lied to, and you don’t know, or care!”
This is like how you know that your dolls have personalities because you gave the personalities to them, right? Your already tenuous grasp on reality seems to slip a little more every day.
“Yet my theory of “pushing his buttons” is somehow ‘blaming the victim” and is completely worthless for that reason? I am a gentle and civilized person who, given a chance. loves women, and would never hurt them, but there are more than three billion–that is 3,000,000,000–men in the world, and out of that gigantic number, there are some rotten eggs!”
You are neither gentle nor civilized. You are a monster who fantasizes about killing any woman who you don’t approve of, or on slightly saner days of depositing them in state brothels against their will. When a woman angers you, you fantasize about someone beating her up, and when a woman disagrees with you then you rapidly descend into shrieking incoherent rage. These are not the thoughts and actions of a person who is gentle or civilized.
He spelled my name RIGHT! See, he can be trained!!! On a very rudimentary level, but still, there is hope.
DKM: The few citations I gave your “study” in my reply were out of politeness. I didn’t believe a word they–or you–said for a minute!
For the umpteenth time, it wasn’t a study. It was a blog post, with two links, and a copy’n’paste of “Fast Facts” derived from MULTIPLE studies (not done by me) and written for a general audience.
But other than that: I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! I SO KNEW IT! So you admit you were lying through your gritted grinding teeth when you said you’d accept “unbiasssed” studies not by feminists. But of course, you reveal your inner NWO-hood with “all government agencies are controlled by feminists” and thus biassed! So we shouldn’t bother to believe anything you ever say about being willing to consider evidence ever again. Well that will save us some time.
I’m just snickering at the idea I wrote this up in advance (it was an hour, 90 minutes, over a lazy breakfast, max) AND the veiled threats about male violence provoked by my mouthiness. Even that’s not news, DKM, I know all about it, and that’s only ONE of many reasons I gave up on sex AND personal relationships with men in 1982. Finding a woman who became my lifetime partner in 1994 was an unexpected blessing. So, yeah, I’m not worried about abusive men’s violence toward me. And the purpose of this site is mocking misogyny (LIKE YOU SPEW), not ending Domestic Violence. Those actions are done elsewhere.
Everybody Else: Thank you! *bows grandiosely* I had fun, glad you did too, and Pecunium, glad to learn “fisking.” I learned the definition of a new word today which is always a good thing.
It is misandrist to claim that victims of violence by men are to blame for “pushing his buttons”, because that is equivalent to claiming that men are violent thugs that are incapable of self-control.
it’s no wonder Meller hates educated women, when he gets his ass handed to him by one so easily haha
Meller Just because a word is bigger doesn’t mean it’s better. Big words don’t make you look smart, especially when you make your true intelligence (?) perfectly clear.
RocketFrog: sad isn’t it? That’s how we can see every thing MRAs do or say is bogus, even their name. they don’t care if they have to admit that men are violent barbarians, wild animals (I mean no disrespect no actual wild animals) with no self control as long as that allow them to be mean to women.
“Go on, sisterhood from hell.Keep talking about how Ithiliana wins this thread. It won’t do your abused or murdered women any good, -”
Well, I was an abused woman, and ithiliana’s posts did me a world of good today. True, I’m not a murdered woman, and if I could communicate from beyond the grave I don’t think I’d hang out on blogs. But hey, I’d probably have liked ithiliana’s posts too.
Zhinxy: Thank you! XD!!!!
Hee hee. I just wanna bask in the glory of Meller in a snit because he’s nowhere near as smart as he thinks he is.
Meller, very telling that you use being shown up in public as an excuse for abuse.
DKM, not that you noticed my above post (though it WOULD be nice to have an answer to that, and thank you very much, SaruGoku, I appreciate it :)), but seriously? She’s a woman, so clearly she couldn’t have done it on her own? How does that even make sense?
Anyway, yeah, you know what? DV victims might “push [someone’s] buttons”. But that doesn’t make DV not wrong. There have been times in my life when someone made me so angry I wanted to hit them. There was even once when I threw my cell phone in rage. I can justify it all I want – he made me angry. He insulted me. I felt trapped. But you know what? It doesn’t matter that he “pushed [my] buttons”. It was wrong. I should have walked away. I should have used my words, I should have said, “I am too angry right now; I feel frustrated and full of rage, and I want to throw something. Please, let’s take a break.” It doesn’t matter if someone makes me mad. I have no right to strike them.