Over on Reddit’s Men’s Rights subreddit, cheester warns all of us dudes about an especially insidious form of anti-male oppression: the racks of women’s magazines that lurk near the checkout counters of grocery stores everywhere!
can I get some feedback on womens magazines at the grocery checkout? Every issue states “new tricks he doesn’t know in bed” and shite like that. It’s obvious porn for the gals but why is it so accepted by everyone that it has carte blanche to be within a two foot reach as I pay for my food? If a magazine for men had on the cover: “20 Ways To Make Her Squirm Like A Fish”….there would be a national outrage.
Yeah, it’s not like Men’s magazines ever run anything like that.
Church groups and womens rights would say it demoralizes women and have the publication banned or put behind censored racks in seedy smoke shops.
Yeah. It’s not like this ever happens to women’s magazines.
But the womens mags are right there as a last shop item in the flourescent lit, sterilized, family atmosphere where every mother parades her toddlers and kids right past the 3 letter word in big black block letters;SEX on the cover of every flashy colored womens mag that comes out each month.
Not only is this oppression of men, it’s oppression of all toddlers who can read and know what the word “sex” means.
Also, feminists have never criticized women’s magazines in any way. “Ten Ways to Make Him Squirm” articles are the distilled essence of feminism! And most of them are written by the ghost of Andrea Dworkin.
NOTE: Does this even need a “sarcasm” tag?
Off topic but what?
David Usher Says Marriage Equality Is A Plot Cooked Up by Feminists To Get Welfare
@heroicman
Elam definitely has some strong opinions.
Yeah, he has strong opinions, all right. Opinions, with regard to feminists, that involve “fucking their shit up” and achieving an erection when contemplating fucking up aforesaid shit. Elam’s a thug and a bully-boy, no more, no less.
You aren’t earning a whole lot of credibility here as a “moderate MRA.”
PfkE – OMG, that is just BEAUTIFUL! Even for Right-Wing gibberish!
Also, I have to say, “heroicman,” that your screen name demonstrates a singular lack of insight. It’s not intended to be ironic, by any chance, is it?
Holly:
However: no weird sex thing, no “Eastern” religion.
@Naira: I’m hoping I might someday complete the set. Dream marriage to Gina Torres has to be awesome 😀
@zhinxy, I have no kids of my own, but I would imagine parenting a tween has its own unique challenges. As I recal,l the tweens were the years when I started to consider everything my mother did as a reflection on me, and she could do no right in my eyes. “Aw, mom! You were supposed to take time off of work and away from your other commitments to pick me up at school but then not get out of the car when you did it! You are so embarrassing.”
But maybe your child is a little more understanding than I was ;).
heroicman, what is your opinion of celibacy? How does celibacy impact one’s personal health?
Viscaria – I’m lucky I think! Her friends have declared me a “cool mom!” – Apparently! I think they are fickle, and may turn on me, however! Can’t be too sure of my position!
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth, I can’t even wrap my head around Usher’s quote. I wish he would have cited a source for his claim, but “My ass” doesn’t sound too scholarly.
Posterior is little better Bionic Mommy. Alas.
“My ass” doesn’t sound too scholarly. –
THAT’S “My Ass and The Lord,” thebionicmommy! He’s a man of deep FAITH!
Oh my poor brain, PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth. Anecdote: when the gay marriage debate was going on in Canada, I was elated and became very passionate about the issue. A friend of mine at the time tried to deflate my enthusiasm by explaining that, if gay marriage were legal, men would start marrying each other left and right for the tax advantages. Not the women, just the men. Apparently women aren’t capable of such deception or I imagine mf couples would have been doing the same thing for decades. He was also worried that if he lived with a male roommate for too long then common law would apply. I can only assume he’d never heard of men and women living as roommates.
All of this was totally ridiculous, but can be somewhat forgiven as it was coming from a 15-year-old boy who didn’t have anyone lapping up his every word like gospel.
>>He was also worried that if he lived with a male roommate for too long then common law would apply.
There was a case in Quebec where the welfare office tried to cut off one lesbian woman who was living as roommate to a single heterosexual woman with a steady job, by asserting since they had been living together for a year they fell under the umbrella of common law spouses. So the fear isn’t exactly completely out there.
They won their case, though.
Oh for reals? That’s pretty messed up. Still, I don’t see how the risk is different than that for non-romantic male and female roommates.
I suppose I should look all of this stuff up, just in case, as I am looking for a roommate at the moment.
Man, Usher’s a choad.
@bionic
That’s interesting about the blinder racks. Can’t say I paid much attention, but I feel fairly sure we didn’t have those last time I went home to visit. Then again, Pitt’s full of liberal hippie commie pinkos. (I mean, for KS.)
I know we don’t have them here, but I live in a blue state now. Which is funny considering there are like … 50 churches per square inch. (Very tiny churches.) But that’s sort of a missionary thing … it doesn’t reflect the attitudes of the people so much. And I feel like a lot of the religious folks here–I live with some–are more about love and charity than crushing others under their collective foot.
(I still wish my house manager would stop trying to get me to go to church with her though.)
chocomintlipwax, Joplin is pretty hard core red conservative, but so is a lot of KS outside of college towns like Pittsburg. It’s hard to remember which supermarkets did or didn’t have blinder racks since some of the stores were destroyed in May. The church groups that want magazine blinder racks also picketed the Harry Potter movies when they first came out at the theaters. I don’t know if the majority of SW Missouri Christians are like them, or if they’re just more vocal than everyone else. In all fairness, even the most radical fundamentalists around here have put more focus on love and charity since the tornado. It’s kind of brought people together, though I’m not sure how long that is going to last.
If DV is as complicated a matter as you indicate, such as different types of violent scenarios, than you cannot solely blame MRA’s for any confusion. You must blame feminists as well. DV is a serious issue that consist of male on female violence and female on male violence
this would be true if feminists and mras seemed to misunderstand the nature of dv in equal amounts, but in my experience most feminists realize that partner-on-partner violence has a lot of complexity and most mras are eager to lump it into an undifferentiated mass, and you haven’t provided any evidence to the contrary.
you’ll find that ‘both sides are equally to blame’ cliches dont work very well here. that is if youre really not samuel, which i’m seriously starting to doubt.
And now, today’s official TROLL REVEAL:
Forget what I said earlier. Samuel IS heroicman.
Or they are two trolls who post virtually identical crap who happen to live in the same place, which is not a place where I expect very many MBzers live.
I’m going with the former interpretation.
I must have been thinking of a couple of other trolls before; just checked the IPs again and, yep, same internet provider, same place.
Bee, and whoever else called this, gets wins an internet.
Sorry, heroicman, thanks for playing,
Heroicman, you know when I said to please stop repeating the exact same talking points? You’re still doing it. Using the exact same words and phrases, too. It’s vexing, and makes you sound like a zealot. If you want people to listen to you, stop doing that.
Feminists and MRAs do not share very much common ground at all. Just repeating “feminists and MRAs have a lot in common” over and over again does not make it true. The fact that you state that Warren Farrel “has a lot of good stuff” and expect feminists to agree demonstrates how little understanding you have of what feminists want, and how little common ground we have.
Also, the herbivore men are really not part of the MRM at all. I don’t think you understand the cultural context in which that particular social movement is happening, but I know some guys who identify that way, and none of them want anything to do with the MRM. Until you clean house and get rid of all the MRAs who cheerlead for violence against women, and stop insisting that nasty words are just as bad as a punch in the face, men like that who have a strong interest in challenging gender roles for men but who don’t hate women are not going to support you. And neither are feminists.
(If I copied and pasted my own words and then posted them 15 times in the exact same form do you think he’d understand better? That does seem to be his favored style of communication.)
“Not only does he have the same… unique… writing style, he even has the same misconception that NOMAS is an MRA group.”
I noticed that he’s claiming that herbivore men are MRAs too, which is hilarious. Apparently any group of men or male social movement is part of the MRM even if the men involved don’t identify that way.
It’s one of the more unusual forms of appropriation I’ve seen in a while.
Something learned today: I did not know about herbivore men!
I must read up on this because (eyedarts) some of the ideas may be very useful for my lesbian werewolf novel….
SaruGoku-December 2, 2011 @ 2:55am
I completely agree with you (and the other manboobzettes commenting on DV in this article)! It is bizarre that a abuse victim should return to her abuser, or, even more pathetic, even when “liberated” from abuser #!, then finds a similar pathogenic relationship with abuser #2, and so on!
I have some theories why this should be so, but I am not putting them forward because I have heard enough “blaming-the-victim” feminese for one post!
I always think that it wouldn’t hurt to ask, not to cast blame or aspersions on anybody, but simply to understand what is going on? The “fighting as foreplay” theory I described earlier may describe some couples who are trapped in an abusive relationship –“good fight before a good night”–but there are certainly many others.
I have an addiitonal question,SaruGoku, while we are on the subject. Why,and how, is it, with the millions upon millions of thoughtful, considerate, gentle, and loving men. available ( in all income levels, racial and religious groups, nationalities, and geographical areas) what in blue blazes turns otherwise intelligent women on to brutal, sadistic and vicious sociopaths? Why don’t they RUN–the way I am sure you and 80%+ of other women would do–at the prospect of a mere “fiest date”? Why do they move in with badboy–over the good advice of motherdear, other older women in her family, and sometimes even her friends, sometimes rejecting a much better boyfriend or lover in the process???
I don’t know, you don’t know, ilithiana–despite her voluminous source material on DV posted here, doesn’t know–and nobody knows! We can guess, but most of our guesses, in the absence of peoples’ experiences, are incomplete at best, and probably wrongheaded at worst.
All of this would be incomplete without noting, at least in passing, the grim point that sometimes abuse becomes MORE serious, even lethal, over time. A partner will sooner or later end up risking her LIFE for a worthless, vicious, sadistic brute, when there are countless better men available! I suggested in other posts the return of arranged marraiges, with more professional “matchmaker” and family–especially the older women in the family–supervision, but most of you didn’t like that either!
Now everyone is stuck with a growing problem, that has nothng but slogans and palliatives on one side, and men (entirely understandably) being defensive and paranoid against your accusations on the other (also understandably, if not overdue). Jailing, for example, is probably less effective than ilithiana, and other such legalists would like, since given the nature of prisons dehumaizes and brutalizes already vicious men even more, as well as filling them with a desire for revenge at all costs, not only against she-victim, but probably against women generally, once he gets out!
You take it from there…
It’s bizarre, but it’s not the first time I’ve seen it, CassandraSays. The MRM loves to pretend they’re “going global!” by referencing the herbivores.
READING COMPREHENSION GRADE:
DKM: 0
Fail.