Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
I’m laughing about Brandon wanting men to charge their wives and girlfriends for room and board when they stay home to raise their children. It’s so absurd. I guess my husband can come up with a list of bills and expenses for me, an evil stay at home mom, and then I’ll hand him a bill for changing all the diapers, cooking all of our meals, doing all of the laundry, and getting up in the middle of the night to help the children when they’re sick. We’ll trade these bills to each other and things would come out even.
The situation we have works for us, and it’s nobody else’s business what we do. We have life insurance and wills written up, so we’re at least a little prepared for the unexpected. If I were to be offered a higher paying job than what my husband has, we’d trade places. Since we’re both feminists, we don’t care which parent is the breadwinner and which is the caregiver, as long as everyone is happy.
It’s also important to remember that it is very difficult to be a parent of a baby or small child, and do a full time job. What happens when the baby is sick? You can’t take a sick child to a daycare, because they won’t take zir. The parent that takes off work a lot for the child does take a hit in pay and opportunity for advancement. I doubt the men that “won’t allow” their wives to stay home would be the ones to take the career hits for the children.
Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel: Is that perchance an obscure reference to a joke told in an episode of QI?
Also guys, I’m pretty surprised that nobody even objected to Brandon’s assertion that with today’s methods of birth control it is NOT POSSIBLE for an unintended pregnancy to happen and thus anyone who gets pregnant when they’re not able to comfortably support a child = should have known better. Even if he is not against abortion (I thought he was? Might be getting him confused with one of the other trolls, though) a pregnancy has to have taken place for an abortion to be necessary — other methods do fail, not even only due to human error.
And from that, his whole “I will never ever ever be in the situation of dealing with an unintended pregnancy!” is just ridiculous. Dear Brandon, unless you never ever have sex with someone who can pregnant, you cannot know this at all.
ps. getting an abortion in the states costs money, amirite? So even if Ashley or whomever gets pregnant and does have an abortion, so you won’t have to contribute to paying for the child, there’s still expense involved. Would you contribute to the expense of the abortion?
Herp Derp, Brandon would pay his half, no more, no less.
What’s QI? I’m just a math nerd (in addition to being a brightly-colored, calliope-equipped merry-go-round for eeeeeevil slutbitches, natch).
QI is/was a comedy trivia show. Hosted by Stephen Fry, with a rotating panel of regulars. Hilarious.
Not only does it cost money, they are rather difficult to access even with money for many people.
Alpha Asshole Cock Carousel: it’s a show, as pecunium said. In one episode stephen fry tells a story about some lady who is convinced the world is held up by a turtle, which is held up by another turtle, etc — “it’s turtles all the way down!”. But I guess she’s not the only one who believed in that?
hellkell: But you see, since obviously she did something wrong for the unintended pregnancy to occur, brandon might think she should be able to fend for herself and have her “finances in order” ready to deal with an unintended pregnancy by herself.
dsc: yeah, so I’ve heard. That is one of the reasons I’m glad I live in canada — we do have the crazy pro-life groups at every turn trying to eliminate our reproductive rights, but we still have those rights and I’m pretty sure they won’t be getting cut anytime soon, even with a conservative government. But yeah, that was more a rhetorical question aimed to point out a situation brandon was ignoring.
Is. It recently celebrated its 10th anniversary, and is still going strong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtles_all_the_way_down
Speaking of QI XD
I just got my house hooked on them, and Time Team (well, to be fair, my fiancée had seen QI before.
I’ll have to torrent more QI.
This one was one of my personal favourite moments 😛
It started on BBC2, and was then “promoted” to the more populist BBC1, which turned out to be a poisoned chalice as it meant that they had to tone down the material – but now it’s back on BBC2 and everyone’s happy.
How many seasons have there been now? I’m way behind since I don’t watch online, I watch with my family when we buy the seasons on DVD — which is only every few years when we go back to england to visit. And we have yet to see any of the later seasons on DVD. We only have the first three at the moment. I see their budget has increased or something, with that little train going around the table delivering sweets, and the special effects (albeit pretty bad ones :P).
Wetherby: when did the switch to BBC1 happen? I haven’t really noticed a change so far, but as I said, I’m only on season C, so perhaps the switch happened later.
(also sorry for the total derail, guys :P)
QI has reached up to the I series. I’m not sure how many that would be though since I have a feeling one of the letters was simply used in a one off special rather than a series of it’s own.
Wikipedia is your friend.
The simple answer is 2008-11, but it seemed they only tried it out in a pre-watershed (i.e. more family-friendly) slot in 2010-11.
I recall when Judy(?), dressed as Queen Victoria (in 2004) said, that the thing which was forbidden at the pornography museum was, “Fisting, which I know, because we have a lot in common, Queen Victoria would have been down for.”
Zhinxy – you’re right, I did NOT buy gold! If I had taken that EI premium and bought gold with it, I would be able to fund my own maternity leave by now! Somehow!
Pecunium – yeah, but I live in Canada, where we’re all brainwashed by our universal health care and solvent banking sector. The horror.
Pecunium:
The full exchange, courtesy of a rather obsessive site devoted to QI transcripts:
Stephen Fry: What kind of behaviour was forbidden in the Secret Museum of pornography?
Jo Brand: Was it–
Sean Lock: Flash photography.
Stephen Fry: Flash photography! Very good.
Jo Brand: Was it fisting?
Stephen Fry: [sucks in his breath] Three innocent little words that somehow . . .
Alan Davies: [with bowed head, to Jo] I’m sorry, your majesty.
Stephen Fry: “Was it fisting?” Queen Victoria just said “Was it fisting?”
Alan Davies: [with bowed head, to Stephen] The Queen would like to know, was it fisting?
Jo Brand: From what I know of myself, Queen Victoria was well up for it, wasn’t she? She was! She was!
Alan Davies: She had about 28 children.
Stephen Fry: She had a lot of children, and when she was a young girl, she was full of laughter and fun and loved dancing and music and was quite sportive, and, erm, yeah. She wrote saucy letters sometimes. I mean, not saucy, but, I mean, you know. She showed she had a twinkle in her eye occasionally, I suppose.
It was glorious. We just watched that episode on Saturday.
” A government program that helps people, is solvent, and pays taxes at the same time, wait till Meller sees that”
Very interesting! Let see how well it does all of the above in five or ten years, shall we?
Listen, there are fish that fly, there are corporations–even in the XIX century who earned their profits without poisoning anybody, and there are still government programs by the millions that HURT PEOPLE, that are INSOLVENT (and getting more so by the month), and are net drains on the tax base, not assets!
Sorry, Pecunium, you’ll (along with your fellow manboobzers) will have to do a little better than that to make me any sort of believer in the monopoly of force and fraud called government.
@Holly: Again, I am under no obligation to take care of the child’s mother. I am however responsible for taking care of the child.
@Quakers: Let’s see:
1) I am not shaming women that are sluts because I don’t really care what they do
2) Yes STD’s don’t discriminate
3) When it comes to reproduction, men and women clearly have different roles which means they also have different priorities regarding it. What might be important to a pregnant woman might not be important to the man that impregnated her.
@thebionicmommy: Yes it is absurd. It is also absurd to demand men pay women to raise their own children. That was the point I was getting across.
@Herp Derp: Next month I am getting a vasectomy. so while premature, I think I can say for certain that “yes, I will never have to deal with an unwanted pregnancy”.
I don’t deny there’s more bad than good in government programs, Meller, I’m an anarchist, but I tend to say the “safety net” is the last to go. The people who “pass out crutches” are way better than the people breaking the damn legs. It’s like how I think single-payer will save us money and cover us while we work on figuring out the glorious libertarian free market model. Another thing about fiscal conservativism, is that I’m not sure, as libertarians, we’ll have a better time getting rid of a “lean and mean” small government (which could be quite oppressive if it wanted to) than a big, bloated, bankrupting dinosaur that has a hard time keeping up.
1) I am not shaming women that are sluts because I don’t really care what they do
But if they are “sluts” they are, prima facie, not worthy of being married. That’s what he said, not, “I won’t marry a slut,” nor even the more reasonable, “I won’t marry a woman I think has demonstrated poor judgement,”, but “Sluts aren’t worth marrying”.
Nope, nothing shaming in that, public, declaration.
This, of course, from the man who says marriage is all a scam anyway; just a way for women to exploit men.