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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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Bostonian
Bostonian
12 years ago

“@Hellkell: And the entire idea of “sluttiness” is entirely opinion based. There are no objective, scientific studies done that says “You fucked X people, you aren’t a slut but you fucked X+1 then you are”.”

So slut shaming is indeed complete and total bullshit.

Shora
12 years ago

@Julie: Roissy’s opinion is pretty much my opinion. Minus the whole slutty women are masculine bits.

cool, then you will have no problem answering all of my above questions!

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Sharcules: Yes, and I thought it was also funny that he has used “meaty intrusions” to describe intercourse on his blog. It is called hyperbole.

Sharculese
12 years ago

that is… not what hyperbole is, but okay.

Shora
12 years ago

I was reading the second link brandon gave, and I just had a motherfucker, WHAT!? moment.

In a list about what doesn’t make a “quality” girl, Roissy (and therefore brandon, because brandon agrees with everything he says) says that the following is a sight a girl is not “quality”

She doesn’t seem nervous undressing in front of you the first time.

Motherfucker, WHAT!?

Sharculese
12 years ago

Motherfucker, WHAT!?

you should be devoting all your energy to having a body you can be proud of, but you don’t actually deserve to be proud of it. that’s getting ideas above your station.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Motherfucker, WHAT!?

Know your roles, bitches.

I had the same reaction to that nugget.

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Sharcules:

hyperbole (plural hyperboles)

(uncountable) Extreme exaggeration or overstatement; especially as a literary or rhetorical device.
(uncountable) Deliberate exaggeration.
(countable) An instance or example of this technique.
(countable, obsolete) A hyperbola.

It seems that it is. Or do you not think “meaty intrusions” isn’t a colorful exaggeration for ‘sexual intercourse”? And that he didn’t do it for shock, awe or to make his audience laugh or at least chuckle?

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

@Sharcules: Yes, and I thought it was also funny that he has used “meaty intrusions” to describe intercourse on his blog. It is called hyperbole.

How is it hyperbole?

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

Sorry, our posts overlapped. But I’m still not convinced – the phrase “meaty intrusions” doesn’t seem the least bit hyperbolic to me. How is it an example of “extreme exaggeration or overstatement”?

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

This is hyperbole: “Brandon’s posts on Manboobz are the literary highlight of the decade!!!!”

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Wetherby: And where does it say I have to convince you?

Sharculese
12 years ago

no brandon, being puerile and lurid is not the same as hyperbole. at best its hamfisted innuendo.

Shora
12 years ago

Brandon, I know that there are just “so many questions” that you simply cannot answer them all, but you should have some priority here. Because I really really want to fucking know how a girl who is comfortable in her own skin and who is not nervous about being naked around someone she’s about to have sex with is “low quality”

It would also be super duper awesome if you addressed the incredible hypocrisy dripping from your words. Namely:

–>So, WHY is it okay for men to sleep around, but not women? More specifically, WHY is it cool for YOU to sleep around, but not the women you date? Do you find that you are more of a “flight risk” because you are not mesmerized by Ashley’s pussy? If not, then why do you think that’s valid for women?

And maybe also

–>The biggest glaring issue with that post is, of course, that it doesn’t show how the number of sexual partners of MEN correlate with divorce rates. You can’t really say that it’s terrible for a women to have multiple partners, but not men, if you don’t actually compare the two.

Or maybe YET ANOTHER GEM OF ROISSY

Dating around — specifically, seeing more than one person concurrently — is a prerogative of men only

I would really, totally like to hear your explanations as to why such stunning hypocrisy is totally cool, bro.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

@Wetherby: And where does it say I have to convince you?

I’m not asking you to convince me – I’m asking you to convince anybody.

Which you almost certainly won’t, because we know the difference between hyperbole and, as Sharculese far more accurately puts it, puerile and lurid innuendo.

ithiliana
12 years ago

This is also hyperbole: DKM’s posts on Manboobz are well constructed, well reasoned, and well written!

Bee
Bee
12 years ago

It seems that it is. Or do you not think “meaty intrusions” isn’t a colorful exaggeration for ‘sexual intercourse”? And that he didn’t do it for shock, awe or to make his audience laugh or at least chuckle?

It’s a colorful (sophomoric) expression. It’s weird, though. You just gave the dictionary definition of hyperbole, and between sentences you appear to have forgotten what it means and redefined it as something that is shocking and funny. Unbelievable.

I kind of feel like the only consistency with Brandon is that Brandon always disagrees with everyone. He disagrees with other commenters, with his own words, with the dictionary. It would be pretty interesting if Brandon weren’t so fucking boring.

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Shora: Because men and women have different roles when it comes to sex and reproduction. Different roles means different priorities and tasks which in turn mean different standards.

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

@Shora: Because men and women have different roles when it comes to sex and reproduction. Different roles means different priorities and tasks which in turn mean different standards.

Most sexual activity doesn’t involve reproduction. So remove that from the equation, and how different are these “priorities and tasks” really?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Wetherby: Yes, but all reproduction involves sexual activity.

Shora
12 years ago

@Shora: Because men and women have different roles when it comes to sex and reproduction. Different roles means different priorities and tasks which in turn mean different standards.

You know, I thought about writing a rebuttal to this, but I think I’ll leave that to someone else who said it better than I did. Namely, Brandon

The idea that men and women are actually cohesive groups is kind of odd.

No group (race, gender, etc,,) is going to cohesively hold a view as a whole. And expecting that they 1) can or 2) will is absurd.

You’re completely right Brandon. The idea that Men and Women are cohesive groups that hold the same view of what relationships should me and what priorities they have is completely absurd

Wetherby
Wetherby
12 years ago

@Wetherby: Yes, but all reproduction involves sexual activity.

And your point is…?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Shora: And I never said every single man and/or every single woman thinks or acts a particular way.

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Wetherby: I was actually wondering what your point was.

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