Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
I don’t believe that having sex is “bad shit that happens” to a woman.
Let me remind everyone of Brandon’s express desire to move to Thailand later in his life.
For the beaches.
The only difference between DKM’s view of purity and Brandon’s is that Brandon’s a hypocrite.
Brandon, you @ed me, but you didn’t actually answer any of my questions; “How do you define “modesty”. Why do you value it so highly.” and also
What is your definition of femininity
Why is a woman having good sex with a lot of men shameful? Especially since by your own admission you’ve had a lot of sex with a lot of women in your lifetime. Are you ashamed of your sexual history? Don’t you think it would be groovy for women to have the same kind of good sexual experiences that you had without being shamed i.e. the kind of privilege you enjoy?
Brandon has done his Brandon math, and Brandon-percentagewise, he figures there’s pretty much no way any Thai sex worker has an STD.
Besides, he’ll pick out the least slutty-looking one of the bunch. Problem solved!
Do you really think Brandon would allow someone to be as privileged as he is? A partnership of… equals? Perish the thought.
@hellkell: What kind of guys didn’t exist? The ones that are disgusted at women that have a lot of sexual partners?
@Voip: Why do you keep putting modest in quotes? It clearly has a definition. Or do you think I think it means something else?
I don’t know who is correct about your sisters childhood problems. I only know your side of the story. I don’t know either of your parents side.
What does kids have to do with any of this?
I want to travel the world and yes one stop would be Thailand. I also want to go to Germany and Ireland. Do you have anything negative to say about Germans or the Irish?
guys youre forgetting your brandonlore. brandon cant be privileged, he was born middle class.
What kind of guys didn’t exist? The ones that are disgusted at women that have a lot of sexual partners?
yes. those guys exactly. this seems fairly obvious?
Do you have anything negative to say about Germans or the Irish?
What do you believe that definition is?
I am remembering your position, stated repeatedly, sometimes in this thread, against child support and against getting your child anything more than necessities—less than that if the kid’s mother mouths off at you (by saying “need”).
I assume that people interested in having any kind of relationship with me are telling the truth unless I can prove otherwise.
And while I’m pretty ruthless about ending relationships if I discover that I’ve been lied to about something important (as one ex found out the hard way), I certainly don’t assume from the start that this is the case.
Because that would be, as I said, an incredibly bleak and despairing way of approaching human relationships. Not to mention a deeply paranoid one that’s almost guaranteed to affect the relationship adversely from the very start.
@Voip: Answering a question with a question? Are you learning how to be a shifty politician?
Yes! IT does! What is it?
Also, what’s your definition of femininity?
No, but then, I didn’t have anything negative to say about Thais, either. I was just making fun of you and your weird, strangely Brandoncentric view of the world.
What do you believe the definition of “modest” is?
yeah voip. everyone knows the best way to answer a question is with an obtuse non sequitur.
@Wetherby: Trust just like respect is earned not given. The longer I know someone the more I trust and respect them. Unless of course they lie or are disrespectful.
Also, I’d like to draw attention to all the questions Brandon is not answering here, such as:
@Shora and Voip: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=modesty
Then why don’t you believe a woman when she tells you about her sexual past? Is it impossible for a woman to earn your trust?
No, what do you believe?
@Voip: Because giving the real answer might make her viewed in a negative light. And most women are uber-sensitive to harsh criticism and/or judgement.
And no. I have no problems trusting women that have earned it.
But the choice about whether or not to view her in a negative light is entirely up to you.
@Voip: Her answer has nothing to do with what I think. It has everything to do with how she perceives what I will or might think of her.