Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
a’s;ldja;wldalk;j RIGHT!? I must have asked him like, six times on two threads, and he completely ignored me.
In fact, he likes to ignore a lot of my points.
I wonder why?
Sometimes they have sex…with the lights on.
Pecunium:
There was also that time that he said “Even though Ashley is feminine, she doesn’t have bad self-esteem,” which implies that one of the inherent qualities of “femininity” is bad self-esteem.
You do not appear (in his mind) to get angry at him. Therefore it is not as much “fun” as being told to fuck off by HellKell or Holly Pervocracy.
He claims my posts are full of vapidity and apparently I accused him of being a necrophiliac when it was not that at ALL but actually agalmatophilia. Same problem that DKM has.
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No. Way. Now that I know how dirty and adventurous he is, I respect his arguments more!
I totally heard him say “penis” once in homeroom.
I’ve noticed he’ll really only get Tough Guy with the women around here. He’ll try to tangle with Pecunium, but that always ends badly for him.
Much like Meller I think it’s a fetishy thing. I remember Brandon waffling about how he imagines that we’re all really wimpy irl once. Given how determined he is to let everyone know that Ashley is submissive, I think it’s a sexual thing where the idea that not all women are submissive, or willing to submit to him, upsets him.
Oh, right, he called us fluffy kitties once. I figured he was averse to calling us pussies for some reason, but that would involve saying what you mean, so never mind.
@Pecunium:
Again, I am using “slut” in a neutral way. I do not see it as either positive or negative. I know slutty women. Most of them are fun and extroverted, so they are always fun to be around. I probably wouldn’t have any problems befriending, sleeping with or dating them. However, marriage serves a different purpose besides just socializing, being friends with or having sex with someone.
I like to look at it in the similar way that people date. Not every person is someone that you would date, but you could
Why is it so terrible to try and persuade another to your thinking? Every political/economic/social group has tried to persuade people to agree with their point. Even feminists are trying to persuade people to adopt feminist ideology.
Lastly, I do not share your dismissive attitude towards STD’s. HIV/AIDS, Herpes, Genital warts, etc… are all serious diseases that don’t just “go away with a pill”. I take proactive steps in minimizing my risks where ever possible. I don’t try to limit myself, but if my options were between sleeping with a woman that had 2 partners vs one that had 10, I would most likely choose the one with 2. Thus, statistically lowering my risk of getting infected.
But the woman with 2 partners would be better off not sleeping with you, if she wanted to reduce her risk of being infected. Do you disclose your number of partners?
Also, since you do not want to be married, ever, what is your dog in this particular fight?
Brandon, have you considered simply getting tested and sharing the results with each other? It’s seems simpler and more accurate somehow.
What purpose is that, He Who Won’t Marry? You don’t believe in it, so I’m wondering what purpose you might think it has.
And what is femininity, to you?
How many women have you slept with? When’s the last time you’ve been tested?
Brandon, STDs don’t spontaneously generate in the presence of sexual activity, you have to have unsafe sex with an infected person. If neither the woman who’s had sex with ten partners nor the woman who’s had sex with two partners has had sex with someone with an STD, or if both of them have used condoms, neither one of them will get an STD.
Um…
Do you know how illnesses are transmitted?
Usually, we try to explain why we think our ideas are good, not why we have a right to have, because that’s the very obvious part.
How can it be neutral when you try to convince people not to marry them? That’s very un-neutral to the life of this person and to the life of the ‘sluts’.
And you said you enjoyed sex with sluts. Now you say that given the choice, you go for the non-sluts, the 2-partners women. Does that mean you ever felt you had no choice? Or is a slut alway better than nobody?
I have a feeling Brandon has never been tested for anything. He uses the foolproof, She Looks Clean method, coupled with, She Says She Has has had ONLY A FEW PARTNERS method. Together they magically keep him STD free.
That’s the thing, Brandon – you’re trying to limit your own risks while clearly not giving a shit that by doing so you’re increasing the risk to someone else. That’s selfish and unethical.
I wonder if he knows that men can also transmit STDs to women?
I’m sure that he knows. He just doesn’t care.
“I wonder if he knows that men can also transmit STDs to women?”
I’ve even heard that’s how most straight women get STDs. Shocking, no?
Except he seems to think of them as a function of a woman’s “virtue,. almost like a ritual uncleanliness or something. If it has more to do with moral state than with biology, then a “slut,” simply by virtue of being a “slut,” is more likely to be “contaminated” then a “respectable woman” whether or not either one uses protection. Meanwhile, since it doesn’t matter whether men have a lot of partners or not (in fact, since “femininity” means “having few partners,” it’s probably encouraged), there’s no such thing as a male “slut;” since men maintain their “virtue” at all times, men can’t get an STD unless a “slut” gives it to them.
STDs spontaneously generate in the presence of “sluts.”