Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
The thing that keeps me from thinking that is his utter obsession with the culture wars of the sixties and seventies, and the fact that he seems like he might have been a relatively “mainstream” libertarian/paleoconservative until the late eighties or early nineties- that’s when he starts going into conspiracy theory and the fringes. Something happened to Meller at that point, I think. Possibly not even something personal. Maybe he just couldn’t handle the end of the cold war! I think he’s gotta be at least an older boomer.
“We’re going to have a party for one of her typewriters’ hundredth birthday next weekend.”
Ozy, I don’t say this often, but you have to blog about this. Or at least show us a pic of the typewriter blowing out its candles. 😛
MollyRen – “Ozy, I don’t say this often, but you have to blog about this. Or at least show us a pic of the typewriter blowing out its candles. ”
Agreed! And the other typewriters in party hats?
Fluffypunk. I love.
:3
And pieces of paper with “HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!” typed on them sticking out the tops.
From the internal evidence, He is living in/around NYC, and seems to be aged 45-65, with a best guess of about 55-60.
He hearkens back to the idealised ’50s, which makes me think he’s a little bit behind being able to really remember the ’60s.
Ozy, will your girlfriend’s typewriters invite this typewriter to perform at the party?
Oh dear: here’s the link: http://westcollects.com/westCollection/view_artist/artwork/2718
My girlfriend is highly amused that Manboobz is planning her typewriter’s party.
My 1973 Olympia “portable” manual (only 40 pounds) sends his greetings!
I wish I had been able to snaffle the huge iron grey battleship of a typewriter I learned to type on, but it was my mother’s, so….
Old typewriters are awesome.
HAHAHAHAHA!!! Marry a sex worker?! My list of ridiculous things is now complete.
It’s a job, dude. The job doesn’t determine what kind of person they are.
Also, “sex worker” is a big ol’ category, and doesn’t just mean streetwalkers. Would you HAAHAHAHA to someone marrying a phone sex operator? A stripper who didn’t sleep with customers? A professional Domme?
Not that it matters to you. You’re just having fun with your hallucination that penises ruin women, when you fuck a woman you’re ruining her, and by God you want to ruin a woman who’s got some ruinin’ left to do on her.
…EW.
@Holly: Yes it does. That is why accountants are good with numbers and actors typically have the talent and emotional range to act. Your job actually tells a lot about you.
But you keep thinking that most men wouldn’t care if their wives were out sleeping with other men. grinding on other men or role playing with other men.
That’s just what a man want’s…to have a wife that does sexual shit for money to other men besides the husband. Where can I jump on that train?
“But you keep thinking that most men wouldn’t care if their wives were out sleeping with other men. grinding on other men or role playing with other men.”
You’re jealous of ROLE PLAYING?
@Molly: Who said anything about being jealous?
I will consider Holly’s position as legitimate when men the world over are free to sleep with other women for money, while their wives are working or at home.
I wonder how many women would go for the “I just sleep with them cause they pay me” bit.
And honestly, what the hell is the point of marriage if you go out sleeping with other people for cash?
The point is whatever you make of it. Whatever you two want it to be. When marriage is no longer “Man gives woman money and she lets him do ruinous things to her [sex] in return,”* marriage can be anything! It can be a deeply personal commitment or it can be utterly superfluous. You get to decide!
*Updated Brandon version: “Man doesn’t give woman money and she lets him do ruinous things to her anyway.”
“I will consider Holly’s position as legitimate when men the world over are free to sleep with other women for money, while their wives are working or at home.”
Brandon, did you know that some male porn stars are married? Buck Angel is married! So is Kurt Wild!
It’s amazing, all the stuff that goes on behind the scenes in porn. People have relationships! o.o
@Holly: If marriage can be anything, then it is nothing. Like the old saying goes “If everyone is special…then no one is special”.
Heck, even Madison Young has a longtime partner. And a baby!
Honestly, the idea that marriage (or any relationship) is defined by sexual exclusivity always seems really small and sad to me. Of course it often includes sexual exclusivity–that’s some people’s deal, it’s not mine but I understand it–but it shouldn’t be the point. The point should be the connection you share.
And if you share a connection and get a little sex on the side, sometimes that’s really not much different than having friends outside the relationship, or having a job outside it.
@Molly: That is nice, a few porn stars are married to other people in the biz. How is that even remotely representative of the US as a whole? We can’t all be porn stars.
Brandon: @Molly: Who said anything about being jealous?
You did. But you keep thinking that most men wouldn’t care if their wives were out sleeping with other men. grinding on other men or role playing with other men. [emphasis added]
I will consider Holly’s position as legitimate when men the world over are free to sleep with other women for money, while their wives are working or at home.
Apart from prostitution being illegal in much if the world (and certainly in the parts where you’d be willing to live), they are now.
If the couple is happy with it, then they are happy with it, and why should anyone care?
But you, you care. You judge women by standards you don’t keep for yourself (despite your high-flown words to the contrary).
My partners would be a bit upset if I were having sex with others for money, but if it’s for affection (or even just fun) and I am being careful with my health, and theirs, then it’s my business.
But that’s us. If you aren’t open minded enough for that, then you aren’t. Which is fine, except that you then use words like, “slut” as an insult, and a statement of poor character; but only for women. So you don’t really hold everyone to the same standard. I do, so do (so far as I can tell) the feminists on this board. The MRA doesn’t, and neither do you.
That’s ridiculous. Everyone is unique (literally!), therefore everyone really is special. What’s really meaningless is the idea that someone could be more special than others.
But anyway. If marriage means to me “we live together, love each other, set aside time together, but have each other’s permission to sleep with other people under certain circumstances,” then it isn’t meaningless at all! I just said what it means.
Soo… you don’t think people should be able to define their relationships and marriages the way that works best for them?
Brandon, there’s a whole big wide world of people out there, and they’re all different. Some of them would have no problem marrying a sex worker. Others may have a problem with it but would be willing to work through that out of love for their partner. For most it’s a dealbreaker. But that doesn’t make the very idea of a sexworker (or a pair of sexworkers) getting married a bad one.