Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Hahahahaha. He really has no idea that normal women can want sex, and that heterosexual sex is possible outside a context of possession, does he?
My gf was watching a documentary about sex workers on Friday night: one of them in Sydney has organised an outreach program to educate sex workers on helping clients who are disabled, – That’s a friend of a friend. A wonderful person 🙂
Why not? Give us an example of how female promiscuity disrupts society. Of course, you’ll have to define “promiscuity” first…
Awww. The world outside DKM’s head is getting better every day!
Hi there, double standard. Good to see you, it’s been a while.
At least Mellertoad is upfront with his vile views.
“when one considers the habit of gay-male “cruising” and the enormous risks associated with this (Can you spell AIDS)”
And he once again has no idea that there are such thing as CONDOMS.
DKM, how come “Promiscuous men don’t disrupt society the way promiscous women can and do!” Ever heard of Julien Assange(sp)? Herman Cain? Bill Clinton?
Zhinxy, I hope you don’t think I’m being mean, but it’s kind of confusing when you quote other peoples’ comments without marking them off with blockquotes, italics, or quotation marks.
Wait, but I thought
Promiscuous men don’t disrupt society the way promiscous women can and do!
OH NO I HAVE BECOME WHAT I MOST DESPISE
@zhinxy, re the song – See, THAT is a good man. Shame we can’t have more like him and less like Meller around.
“Shame we can’t have more like him and less like Meller around.”
I think Meller is pretty… unique, and showing himself to be moreso with every convo he has on here with us! o.o
I wonder if Meller really doesn’t know that straight people can contract and transmit HIV as well.
Zhinxi—December 3, 2011 @ 4:52 pm–
They keep raising the issue of “where would the poor be in a libertarian society?” I didn’t! I happened to mention one way that women from modest means could safely and humanely advance for themselves and their children, and some non libertarian people get all pissy on us! I am the first to agree with you that poverty will be much rarer, and much less permanent in a laissez-faire society.
Ask THEM where they get their economic ideas, especially regarding upward mobility in laissez faire from? I have NO idea!!
“I happened to mention one way that women from modest means could safely and humanely advance for themselves and their children, and some non libertarian people get all pissy on us!”
You didn’t say “Every woman under a certain income bracket will be able to work in a House of Entertainment”. You said every woman who has MORE THAN ONE SEX PARTNER would have to!
Nothing says ‘libertarian” like an agency whose only purpose is to round people up and send them to places…I dunno, let’s call them camps…where they can be confined in large groups; concentrations, if you will.
Silly VoiP, gay men aren’t “men”! They’re aliens or perverts or fake women something!
They keep raising the issue of “where would the poor be in a libertarian society?” I didn’t!
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Uh-huh, so instead of saying that there would be less income disparity in true-laissez faire, you just accept the view of your supposed adversaries that there WILL be poor people, and offer as a solution brothels. Very, very detailed brothels. Okay then. So, if this is the case, may I offer the option of just explaining that you think there will be less income disparity and a variety of economic options in a libertarian society, not going right to accepting there will be poor people and brothels, brothels, brothels? I mean, if that’s really the problem here.
@zhinxy, re the song – See, THAT is a good man. Shame we can’t have more like him and less like Meller around.
A-frickin-Men.
Molly Ren–Dec 3, 2011 @ 4:54 pm
Molly Ren–You seem to be a nice girl! You don’t want me to be sick all over my typewriter, do you? Men paid to entertain women sexually is a bit too disgusting for my taste!
I suppose that such Houses of Women’s entertainment could(??) exist, but not with my help!
One is trying to support and enhance female purity and virginity where possible, and diminish the bad effects of loose women where it is not! Paying random men to copulate with hypersexualized females may work for Hustler magazine (NOT that Larry Flynt hasn’t had his good moments elsewhere, but it is just a tad too “advanced” (or barbarous) for me! Sorry!
So “compulsively hypersexual” means “had sex with someone who I didn’t want her to”, right? And men are incapable of this because Meller doesn’t care who they have sex with, and doesn’t get a sexual kick out of controlling them.
For the billionth time, Meller – this compulsion you have to control women in sexual ways, it is a fetish. It’s OK to have fetishes, but it is not OK to try to impose them on other people without their consent.
Meller, I know you would rather people like me don’t exist, but you seem rather childish when you ignore me.
Why? You do know that women want sex, right?
One is trying to support and enhance female purity and virginity where possible, and diminish the bad effects of loose women where it is not! Paying random men to copulate with hypersexualized females may work for Hustler magazine (NOT that Larry Flynt hasn’t had his good moments elsewhere, but it is just a tad too “advanced” (or barbarous) for me! Sorry!”
Okay, except this is supposedly a free market. So you don’t have to do any of the paying, and other people can set up paid anything as long as it isn’t rights-violating. Or do you envision the literal “INVISIBLE (giant?) HAND” of YOU arranging society? Is this another doll thing?
What “bad effects”? You keep talking about them, but you never define or identify them.
“Molly Ren–You seem to be a nice girl! You don’t want me to be sick all over my typewriter, do you? Men paid to entertain women sexually is a bit too disgusting for my taste! ”
Hey, now you know how women feel when they read your comments. Most men, too.