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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@KathleenB: I am not, I am just asking for hellkell to answer a question. But hellkell can’t seem to do that, so I get personal attacks instead.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

@Elizabeth: I might pay $4.99 if hellkell actually gave an answer.

No you would not, and not only that, there is no other reason for zie to answer you because you offer nothing in exchange except varying types of lies.

Kind of sad really. Not quite as sad as the fact that your family does not care about you and the fact your father abused you by plying you with alcohol and porn. Or your relationship with Ashley.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

As to whether they want it, I’m sure some do and are attracted to that. Some aren’t. Brandon is trying to say all men are the same based on what he likes.

I did answer your question, such as it was, you disingenuous toad.

If it feels like shaming language, maybe you should be ashamed.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Molly:At least that is sort of an answer. So you are saying physical appearance is the main force behind male to female attraction? Correct? But that you try not to be swayed by it?

Also, I will answer your questions (also I have a few friends that have overweight girlfriends):

1) A woman with severe acne who isn’t trying to get rid of it (proactive, seeing a dermatologist, etc..) shows me that she doesn’t care about her body or her appearance. Some things are a pain to fix but she should at least attempt to correct them. If it doesn’t work after she tries, that is a different story.

Also, I have dated a few girls that had moderate acne on their face. One of the girls personality was positive and she moved through life as if they didn’t care that they had acne. Which means she didn’t draw attention to it. Also, she wasn’t angry or resentful about it. This made her far more attractive to me.

2) I have never dated a girl with a severe over, under-bite. I can’t say that I would or wouldn’t. I would have to take it on a case by case basis.

3) I have dated an overweight woman that at least fell into 3 categories you mentioned. She was very self-conscious about her weight and it made me very uncomfortable. Especially when we were having sex.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: So your makeup comment was the actual answer? Pretty flimsy, I must say.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Why should I be ashamed?

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

Sorry, I asked but she doesn’t want to. Her exact words were “Stop fucking around with those man haters”. Anyways, goodnight.

Actually, I can almost believe Ashley being a real woman and having said this, because the one thing we know about Brandon is his disingenuousness in representing the ideas of other people, so it is possible Ashley’s knowledge of Manboobz is limited solely to what Brandon has told her about it.

Pecunium
13 years ago

Brandon: @Cassandra: Ok, and in what way does he want women to become dolls? Cause while I get the “I want to fuck dolls” vibe from his writing, I don’t get the “women must become dolls” vibe.

That’s because you are ignoring his staement that women need to become subservient to men, and enjoy being property.

And that if they don’t, men will have to kill them, after their are sexbots who can replace them.

Pecunium
13 years ago

Meller: Your kink for plushies, is fine. Enjoy yourself.

But since there are plenty of healthy human males (like myself) who enjoy the company of feminists, there really is nothing for them to feel bothered by.

I, for one, am not at all bothered when people who hate me choose to spend time with other people, rather than force themselves into my presence.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Yes, of course you would. You’re focusing on the makeup, my larger point was that men are not all the same. Therefore there is no one answer to “what men are attracted to.”

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon, do you realize why there’s no good reason to give you answers? Also, you stomping around demanding answers and then giving head-pats for the ones you think pass muster is HI-larious.

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

Hellkell, even Brandon’s reply to Molly’s question missed the point: she asked what Brandon’s dudebro friends would think of dating certain women based on their physical appearance – Brandon’s reply is all about Brandon. Someone, please change the channel… I think Elizabeth left the remote on the sofa.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Well, can you give me a few things you think men are attracted to?

BTW, I never asked you to give me the “all encompassing thing that makes all men flock to a particular woman”. I asked what your insights on male to female attraction were. That can contain more than one thing.

We have makeup, which by no means is a meaningful variable. Men will date, marry or otherwise associate with women regardless of if or how much makeup they wear.

Molly Ren
13 years ago

Brandon wrote, “I have dated an overweight woman that at least fell into 3 categories you mentioned. She was very self-conscious about her weight and it made me very uncomfortable. Especially when we were having sex.”

Now, ask yourself *why* she felt self-conscious and you might be a little closer to getting my point.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Xanthe: Yes, let me just gather up all my friends right now to answer that. I didn’t answer it because “it was all about me”. I answered her because one answer is better than no answer. You really need to stop being so cynical and stop thinking the worst of people.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

No, see above as to why.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Xanthe, that’s what I’ve been trying to tell him, but he’s approaching singularity and it’s impossible.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Molly: Actually, I spent considerable time telling her that I thought she was attractive (which I did, otherwise I wouldn’t be with her). I thought she was attractive, she thought she wasn’t. No amount of me telling her otherwise was going to change that.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: Fine. Can you at least answer why you think there are no good reasons to give me those answers?

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Are you on drugs? You cannot be asking me that with a straight face.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

1.) You do not say what you mean
2.) You read selectively
3.) You move goalposts
4.) You are not honest
5.) You do not see past your entitlement
6.) Lather, rinse, repeat

Molly Ren
13 years ago

Yeah, okay… but *why* did she feel that way? Was it messages that she’d gotten from the people around her? From TV? From her family? From her former partners? From herself?

You seem to be trying to get us to say things like, “No way, culture is meaningless and doesn’t tell us anything!” or “Culture only matters around work!” But I’ve had people tell me I was too fat to have sex with. I’ve had family members insinuate that the reason I didn’t get a job was that I was too fat. I can maybe think of only one or two instances where a woman in a movie or a TV show has been my size and it hasn’t been a comedy.

Even if you think it’s bullshit, and I try to fight it, that doesn’t mean culture has *no influence*. Shit’s everywhere, or I wouldn’t have been told these things and the fat girl you tried to have sex with probably wouldn’t have felt so ashamed of her body.

Xanthe
Xanthe
13 years ago

“You really need to stop being so cynical and stop thinking the worst of people.”

Ha, thinking the cynical worst would normally be something I save up for special snowflakes like you — not all people. But actually I was just making the singular observation that in the absence of thinking about the attitudes of your friends, you chose to go with your own to answer Molly. Fits the pattern.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Molly: I don’t know. She never really told me nor am I psychic. I tried to tell her that I thought she was beautiful and sexy but after a while repeating the same thing over and over gets exhausting. She didn’t want to open up and my telling her what I think wasn’t helping either.

I am not trying to get you to say anything. However, my issue was that the term “culture” is far too broad a term. It’s like saying I traveled to Asia and people asked me what it was like. It is just to big of a land mass to give a meaningful answer on how Asia was. Sure, I can talk about vague generalities, but nothing really specific.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell:

1.) You do not say what you mean…according to you
2.) You read selectively…according to you
3.) You move goalposts…according to you
4.) You are not honest…according to you
5.) You do not see past your entitlement…according to you
6.) Lather, rinse, repeat…according to you

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