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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Yup, goalpost are Oscar Mike, just like I thought they would be.

Whatever, Brandon, you get nothing but mockery from here on out.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

The problem is that you are being far too broad. Literally anything can be grouped under the label “culture”. Everything from apple pie to fashion to video games. By using “culture”, this allows you enough wiggle room to say “that isn’t what I said” if someone challenges you on it.

cul·ture
   [kuhl-cher] Show IPA noun, verb, -tured, -tur·ing. noun

1. the quality in a person or society that arises from a concern for what is regarded as excellent in arts, letters, manners, scholarly pursuits, etc.

2. that which is excellent in the arts, manners, etc.

3. a particular form or stage of civilization, as that of a certain nation or period: Greek culture.
4. development or improvement of the mind by education or training.
5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic, or age group: the youth culture; the drug culture.

6. Anthropology . the sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another.

7.Biology .a. the cultivation of microorganisms, as bacteria, or of tissues, for scientific study, medicinal use, etc.
b. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.

8. the act or practice of cultivating the soil; tillage.

9. the raising of plants or animals, especially with a view to their improvement.

10. the product or growth resulting from such cultivation.

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Tell me Brandon, do you know anything at all?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Typical feminist response. If my argument is so flawed, then why don’t you say what is wrong with it. What? Do you not have an argument?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Another definition from the World English Dictionary: the total of the inherited ideas, beliefs, values, and knowledge, which constitute the shared bases of social action

A definition from the Cultural Dictionary: The sum of attitudes, customs, and beliefs that distinguishes one group of people from another. Culture is transmitted, through language, material objects, ritual, institutions, and art, from one generation to the next.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Elizabeth: Yet another vague, meaningless post by you.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Hey dude, you originally claimed I didn’t know how the male mind works. I answered, referencing the previous comments. Can’t hold more than one thought in your pretty little head? Now you wanna beef about culture, so the goalposts have moved.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

You don’t argue in good faith, Brandon, so why should I argue with you at all?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

*laughs* Oh my gosh, it has meaning…it is quite literally, the meaning of the word culture. From a dictionary.

And yet you are so obtuse you could not figure out that yes, wearing make up is part of culture, it has an incredibly broad meaning so HellKell’s pointing this out makes the first part of your comment dumber then normal.

*laughs again*

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Actually you didn’t answer anything about how the male mind works. You did however comment on a female run industry that pressures women to buy makeup and other cosmetics. So it was you that moved the goalposts.

I originally asked if you could share your insight on what drives male to female attraction. So do you know what makes men attracted to women? Makeup or no makeup, heterosexual men are attracted to women.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Can’t hold more than one thought in your pretty little head?

Objection, there has been nothing to establish that Mr. Brandon’s head is pretty. It is extensively established that his head is little. Or at least has little room inside it.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Dictionaries are an evil tool of the feminist gynocracy designed to confuse people. Their definitions mean nothing. Nothing, I tell you!

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon, why don’t you go read the the thread again. You accusing anyone of moving goalposts it is to laugh. HA!

You read selectively and not for comprehension.

PfkE, withdrawn.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

This asshole truly thinks you can gaslight in print.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: No need to be mean, if you don’t want to answer the question, just say so.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

You don’t get to tell me how to behave.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

He never paid the $4.99, he really has no cause for complaining Hellkell did not answer his so called question.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

You get no more good faith answers, Brandon.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: Ok, then you don’t get to tell me how to judge that behavior.

So…no on the question? Can’t think of what makes hetero men attracted to women?

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Seriously, and with the time he’s been here, I’d say he owes me about 600 bucks.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: Nice cop-out.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Brandon, with guys like you, it’s a pulse, a hole, a rack, and a willingness to put up with unending bullshit. Pretty sure with you the pulse is optional.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Elizabeth: I might pay $4.99 if hellkell actually gave an answer.

KathleenB
KathleenB
13 years ago

Brandon: In the nicest possible way: Quit being an asshole.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: This must be what MRA’s call shaming language. Can’t answer my question but you can resort to personal attacks.

Molly Ren
13 years ago

Brandon wrote, “It isn’t about spending money, it is about showcasing your most attractive attributes.”

Brandon: next time you’re playing video games with your buddies, ask them these questions:

Would they date a woman with severe acne, who made no effort to treat it or cover it up?

Would they date a woman with an obvious over or underbite?

Would they date someone who was fat? (Not as in “slightly larger than the average model” but with rolls, thighs that touch, a double chin, hanging breasts, etc.)

Saying that no one judges anyone outside of work for these attributes is simplifying things way, way too much– and saying that these things don’t take money to fix is absurd.

Now, do I *personally* follow all these appearance rules? Nope–I’ve chosen to ignore the last bit for my own reasons, but if people really didn’t care as much as you say they did, there wouldn’t be (just for an example) fat acceptance or a diet industry. The point I’m not trying to make is how sensible YOU find these physical appearance rules, it’s the cultural messages most women WILL get about how they look and the cultural messages most men get about how women SHOULD look.

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