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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@zhinxy: Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.

CassandraSays
CassandraSays
13 years ago

Are we back to the Brandon show again? I’m bored with this show. Can’t we change the channel? Who’s hogging the remote?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Ami: Actually I don’t watch TV. I don’t even have cable.

@hellkell: Umm…I have dated sluts. They are fun and adventurous.

You certainly don’t understand male to female attraction.

Sharculese
13 years ago

Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.

on todays episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things’: brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, thinks he is being clever.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Sharcules: replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

Who’s hogging the remote?

Sorry, I was sitting on it.

felixBC
felixBC
13 years ago

Selling is legal, having children is legal. Why isn’t selling children legal?

Hey, this is fun!

Sharculese
13 years ago

replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?

on next week’s episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things’: brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, throws in joke that even your racist uncle thinks is growing stale, thinks he is being clever.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

@Ami: Actually I don’t watch TV. I don’t even have cable.

XD

Brandon | December 2, 2011 at 7:41 pm

@zhinxy: Yes, and I am sure wealthy people don’t like to be called “robber barons” and “fat cats”. If I went through life trying to remember what every group of people wanted to be called at that exact moment, I would drive myself nuts. Today it is “sex worker” tomorrow it is something else.

Do you shun people who change their names too? xD

You act like THIS IS SO HARD XD

Tomorrow huh? xD Literally tomorrow? Tomorrowi t’s gonna be something different? xD Then Sunday something else?

Or you could stop exaggerating and making it like IT IS SO HARD TO LEARN NEW INFORMATION xD

You manage to deal on this forum okay without your head exploding from new information xD

Amazing o:

zhinxy
zhinxy
13 years ago

replace wealthy people with blacks…or is it African-American’s? Or are we full circle and back to negro?

on next week’s episode of ‘brandon doesnt understand things’: brandon makes false equivalencies between marginalized groups and powerful groups, throws in joke that even your racist uncle thinks is growing stale, thinks he is being clever.”

Well, he is BRANDON! Can brandon be expected to KEEP UP with this crazy world and all the demands!

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Oh, yes, Brandon, you know so much, please educate us. You’re the champ!

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: Actually, I am more curious in knowing how YOU think it works.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

No, you’re not.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: Ok “hellkell the psychic”

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/1096257–i-mcdo-mcdonald-s-in-hong-kong-offers-fast-food-weddings?bn=1

McDonalds weddings! 😀

I eagerly await how our trolls analyze this 😀

On your marks… get set…

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Yes, that’ll be $4.99 a minute, please call again.

Ami Angelwings
13 years ago

How about you both explain how you think it works! 😀 Then everybody wins! 😀

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Ami: Whatever floats their boat.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: I think you should go with a toll free number.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Well, it’s funny, Ami, because I wasn’t really stating anything besides poking fun at Brandon saying men will date and marry women regardless of all the female competition he thinks is going on. Captain Literal went to town and I think he confused me with Molly.

I think culture (that thing Brandon doesn’t believe in) sends women a lot of messages about how you should look. I think it creates what could look like a competition for men, but the men who think that are deep thinkers like our B. Basically, it’s all bullshit to keep us otherwise occupied, because how are you ever going to take over the world when you’re too busy hating yourself?XD

I don’t think a lot of men really understand the upkeep that goes into women’s appearances or understand that it’s not necessarily for them in the first place. As to whether they want it, I’m sure some do and are attracted to that. Some aren’t. Brandon is trying to say all men are the same based on what he likes.

Doesn’t really matter, he’ll just move the goalposts and tell me I’m wrong.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

@Hellkell: I think you should go with a toll free number.

And I think you should go away. I guess no one’s leaving happy.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: Culture = makeup and fashion industry.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth

I don’t think a lot of men really understand the upkeep that goes into women’s appearances or understand that it’s not necessarily for them in the first place. As to whether they want it, I’m sure some do and are attracted to that. Some aren’t. Brandon is trying to say all men are the same based on what he likes.

True, I am terrible at applying make up but I know it is sometimes important to have smoothly coloured skin.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

No, you ijit, but the makeup and fashion industry is a part of the larger culture.

I actually gave you a good faith answer–which trust me is far more than you deserve–and that’s what you pull from it? Fuck off.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: The problem is that you are being far too broad. Literally anything can be grouped under the label “culture”. Everything from apple pie to fashion to video games. By using “culture”, this allows you enough wiggle room to say “that isn’t what I said” if someone challenges you on it.

So I guess the question is what parts of culture are forcing you to wear makeup?

While I will agree that working and going on job interviews would be in the list of “forced to wear makeup” category. You can however go makeup free on your personal time. Time with family, out with friends, etc..

And once you have a job, depending on what it is, you can go makeup free there as well. Sure, sales jobs would be hard to go without but customer service jobs where you have no interactions with clients wouldn’t matter if you wore makeup.

So, while there are a few places where the consequences of not wearing makeup are unfair. For the most part, you are in full control over your choice to wear or not wear makeup.

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