Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Pillow pets still are not people though.
And so Brandon and his imaginary girlfriend will watch a movie and ignore us.
What a sad person.
ba ha ha aha ha ha aha ha oh my hah ha ha ha
Poor Brandon really painted himself into a corner the day he decided to pretend he had a girlfriend, didn’t he.
Of course she said that…and for once, I wish you would accede to her wishes. Even if she is really just your Plastic Doll.
Ashley sounds very cross!
I don’t know, I’ve always believed Ashley exists. And I hope Brandon hangs onto her for dear life. It may be my own naive hopefulness, but I like to think that if they’re together they’ll leave other people alone.
And that’s a win-win.
My mother is from Appalachia, needless to say she is more than competant in any needed woodsy things, farm skills, and basic mechanic needs.
Not that that made her suddenly a skilled parent. Of course, my father’s parenting skill level is more like that scene with the baby in trainspotting, so standards for being the less horrible parent are about as low as they could get.
“Stop fucking around with those man haters”
Wow! How rude of her Brandon! That sounds suspiciously like a demand!
I have always been disturbed by my attraction to Chris Barrie.
Hmm… Did Ashley follow up with “And start fucking around with me?” That’d be clever…
Huh. I guess I’ll just have to assume that any time spent without a father’s influence makes you not a Real Man. I guess I’ll have to call both my stepdad and my brother to inform them that their respective mothers’ arrogance robbed them of true masculinity!
And by “mothers’ arrogance,” I mean my stepdad’s father’s untimely death from cancer, and my biological father’s strange aversion to his own children when we lived in the same house.
Brandon: I think fathers can raise daughters but other women need to be used to help guide the daughter when it comes to “female-specific” topics. A father can’t provide everything to his daughter, but he can try and realize where he needs help.
But women are too stupid to figure this out, which is why a father is needed for boys.
I have always been disturbed by my attraction to Chris Barrie.
Would it help you to know you’re not alone? A few of my female friends feel the same way.
Well he did get married. So someone had to find him attractive.
Oh thank God I’m not alone.
Brandon: You might want to try and see the grey areas of life and not think in such black and white terms.
Like you, with False Rape Accusations.
Wetherby: After all [Brandon], if you tell a blatant lie once, what’s to stop you from doing it again? And again?
So far, nothing.
Brandon: @Pecunium: What part of “every person has their own interpretation of promiscuous” are you not understanding?
What part of I am asking you to set the terms; that I don’t care (and won’t use) anyone else’s definition in the terms of this discussion: so that disparities of interpretation aren’t an issue are you not understanding?
Brandon: Also, the beer and porn are rather irrelevant. It is about spending time around men and learning from them.
What were you learning? Apparently about drinking and wanking.
Brandon: Sorry, I asked but she doesn’t want to. Her exact words were “Stop fucking around with those man haters”. Anyways, goodnight.
I think I just became an Ashnostic, which I wasn’t before. I did figure he was lying about some things (such as the terribly convenient blowjob), but this was too pat.
What were you learning? Apparently about drinking and wanking.
Admittedly, these are useful skills to have, although the learning curve isn’t exactly steep.
I sense a sockpuppet coming to Manboobz very soon.
I’ll freely admit that not believing Ashley is real is a breech of my usual netiquette, but I reserve the right to disbelieve someone who lies like a cashmere rug at least half the time, and whenever he talks about his girlfriend it’s always in the most convenient terms, and always in ways that further his masculine persona (I mean seriously, a total submissive, who… giggles when you spank her? That is some playboy shit there. I’m sure there is at least one submissive that does that, but AFAIK part of the draw is the game, and you still seem to be pretending that a submissive in bed doesn’t actually have the power) or that he thinks further his argument.
I’d also like to add that this particular breech in netiquette isn’t easy for me as a nerd who knows mostly nerds
See, this, to me, makes sense. If, you know, Brandon had a much better track record of honesty, like being brand new to me, I’d still believe him on this (Because seriously I trust a random stranger on the internet’s word about their life more than I trust Brandon’s word about hsi life at this point), that’s actually not that unreasonable idea. “My girlfriend hates X, and isn’t likely to talk to you because of it” isn’t weird to me.
What is it that you were learning from men while ogling naked women and drinking booze that is (1) something that only men can teach you; and (2) absolutely essential to being a decent and mature person? You keep talking in generalities and avoiding a specific answer.
Also: in most jurisdictions, showing pornography to a minor is a form of child abuse. Parents are not expected to hide magazines with the same degree of care that they would be expected to store firearms, but actually giving them to a 14 year-old is sexual abuse. Giving alcohol to a minor is child endangerment, and given that you were only 14, alcohol intoxication was a real possibility (especially since you were exerting herself and were doubtless dehydrated). So: your father broke the law twice in dealing with you in just that one day, and he stupidly and ignorantly put your life in danger. But he is the better parent because your mom is a feminist who says things like they mean something. Riiight.
“exerting yourself”
It’s late.