Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
@Elizabeth: So my father showed me porn and that explains why I am the way I am. Well, by that logic most men fail. I was 10 when I saw my first playboy and in today’s age I bet kids are seeing porn much earlier.
@Laura: So you follow every law that is on the books?
I keep having to remind myself that there was a time when people actually had to purchase porn…
Hate to spoil a good derail, but what does any of this have to do with men requiring a father figure in order to grow up to be a man? All Brandon has brought up in this regard is beer and porn…
I don’t believe I’m above any law in the books, if that’s what you’re asking. And neither of my parents taught me to break them.
1. For those fathers who violate the law in that way, they are generally not attorneys who you have told us was the most ethical one you know. Which makes me think you know a lot of unethical attorneys.
2. If a kid sees porn before eighteen, generally they are sneaking around behind their parents’ back.
3. As Lauralot pointed out: What you learn from spending time around men, based on that anecdote, is that you’re above the law.
“…but what does any of this have to do with men requiring a father figure in order to grow up to be a man? All Brandon has brought up in this regard is beer and porn…”
That was what I was about to ask, Kirby. The company of men, beer, and porn? Is that it? Or are we still missing the essential Man Thing that happens when you’re raised by a dude?
Kirbywarp, that is what is cracking me up about the superiority of his dad. So far, just porn and beer! No good life lessons, no fishing/ camping or inspirational talks or hell even non speaking companionship. Just beer and porn for a hard day’s work.
“Just beer and porn for a hard day’s work.”
Well, that does seem to be how Brandon lives his life now, no? Hard work, making sure you hang on to every penny, and beer and Ashley at the end of it?
Well there was that one time he was brought before a judge to be “straightened out.”
Of course that was totally voluntary and not because Brandon had violated the law in anyway. Like say, smoking weed.
@Elizabeth: Yes of course. We were also planning on murdering people and robbing a bank as well. Cause that is what men that look at porn do.
@Bostonian: My father did take me fishing and camping.
In his defense, the weed came without the required porn. Clearly mom was at fault there.
And yet the anecdote you focused on was porn and beer. Still doesn’t speak highly of your father.
Yeah, my dad and I are really close and I love him to bits (ditto my mom) but somehow my favorite memories don’t include him handing me porn and beer. Mainly because he didn’t. (He and my mom both taught me how to read and operate a computer, though, which was basically my gateway to porn. Parents are terrible! :D)
Wow, that was dumb even for you. Also, you must be watching some movie because I have seen that occur in movies before. Usually because the people are mobsters.
@Brandon:
And fishing and camping can’t be done with your mother? I know my mom isn’t much of a nature buff, but I know some families where the mom is really into hiking and the like. Still waiting on what it is that only fathers can provide their sons.
So how exactly was your dad the better parent? I’m not seeing it.
@Kirby: Being the feminist that she was, she pretty much hated anything associated with maleness. So no…we never went fishing or camping.
@hellkell: Because I said he was the better parent.
Because beer! And Porn! And not having to steal either one.
BECAUSE BRANDON SAID SO, THAT’S WHY!
@Brandon: You have no idea what feminist means, and that has never been plainer.
Also, “because I said so”, flawless as you must think that argument is, does nothing for your credibility.
LOL Dad was better because Brandon said so! He does not need examples! Because Brandon!
This is almost as funny as posting a picture to prove you are right!
Ahh, right… So if Brandon’s mother wasn’t exemplary, and his father was the better parental figure in his eyes, and Brandon is a boy, that means that all boys require their fathers because all mothers are evil feminazis.
Brandon… I know you’ve failed many tests of mental ability before… but can you at least understand that not everyone in the world grew up with your mother?
No, I don’t see why I should explain to you why my father is the better parent. If you can answer that with a reasonable answer, I will answer why he is the better parent.