Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
@Lauralot: Buying porn as a minor is illegal (and not even for the minor but the store clerk). Viewing it as a minor isn’t.
Also, the beer and porn are rather irrelevant. It is about spending time around men and learning from them.
Brandon, you need to tell me the secret man stuff! Else I’ll never know how to be a real boi! 🙁
I’d bet cash that Brandon can’t remember a single time his mother sat up and rocked him in a steamy bathroom all night because his chest was congested. Or how much she worried when he was old enough to go ride his bike with his friends. But a couple of beers and some nudie-mags and a trip to a strip club, and his father taught him everything about being a man and was a better parent to boot.
Don’t get me wrong, I love my pops to pieces and worked with him (much more often than one time when 14) in his garage all of my childhood. I still go to his house to change my oil while he yells at me for doing it the wrong way. But I love him as much more for helping me learn to tie my shoe laces and teaching me the right way to brush my teeth, as I do for teaching me how to change break pads.
It’s interesting that, him being a lawyer and all, you weren’t given the choice to live with your father full-time after age 10 or so, Brandon. A lot guys that I know, who were fortunate enough to have an engaged father, opted to live with them at the beginning of adolescence.
@Bostonian: Actually I used to steal weed from my mother when I was a rambunctious teenager.
well now we know where all his lovely views on women came from!
No, idiot, it is illegal for an adult (i.e., your father) to show porn to a minor (i.e., you).
Fat lot of good all that time you spent around judges did for your knowledge.
So..what you learn from spending time around men is breaking the law. Charming.
Typing too fast:
I’d bet cash that Brandon can’t remember a single time his mother sat up and rocked him in a steamy bathroom all night because his chest was congested. Or how much she worried when he was old enough to go ride his bike with his friends.
But I love him as much for helping my tie my shoe laces when I was little as I do for teaching me how to change break pads.
“Actually I used to steal weed from my mother when I was a rambunctious teenager.”
Brandon’s childhood suddenly becomes a much stranger place… or is this the view of someone not raised in CA whose peers sometimes raided their parent’s liquor cabinets?
my father never tried to take me to a strip club, because he is an adult and has dignity, but if he had im pretty sure my reaction would have been along the lines of ‘ew dad, just no.’
@Lauralot: Well, you might want to haul my mother away too. She allowed me to drink wine on holidays starting at 12.
Honestly it’s starting to sound like both of Brandon’s parents kind of sucked, but his dad sucked a little more indulgently.
Is this super-special man knowledge imparted all through childhood, or is it mostly concentrated at a certain age? Or if you have a father for 2 or 3 years at any point during childhood and adolescence is that enough?
Trying to figure out whether it’s my stepdad or my brother who isn’t a real man. Or both, or neither.
I wish I had some secret woman knowledge. My mom didn’t even tell me how to use tampons! I just went off the pictures on the box.
Did she show you porn?
So her neglect took the form of not giving you the weed outright and failing to supply the required porn accompaniment. Truly a horrible person, your mom.
The evil wench probably did not even have Cheetos in the house!
So, let me get this straight:
Man knowledge is:
Being around other men
Learning the value of hard work
Booze
Porn/Strip Clubs
Dude! I’ve done all of these! Does this mean I’m a man now? 😀
@molly ren
i dont think its actually that weird, but i think its adorable how brandon tries to make it seem all rebellious.
@Holly: My mom didn’t even teach me about makeup… but she might have given up because it was a struggle to get me to comb my hair and wear not-falling-apart clothes as a teen as well.
I’ll bet she even made him wear a helmet when he rode a bike, that witch.
No, it is pretty clear you think your mother was terrible Brandon, not that your father was better.
That is not something you say about a person who was not terrible. That is something you say about person who was terrible.
Also, your father was so ethical he violated at least two laws I can think of as a “reward?” This is a direct violation of Rule 8.4(b) of the Model Rules of Professional Conduct that have been adopted by all US states and probably in Canada as well (modified of course.)
This explains so much about your subsequent behavior.
Molly Ren – My mom didn’t either! I still don’t know how to put on makeup. Not that I’m complaining…
Walking in heels neither. Shit, what did I learn about ladying as a kid?
…what do I know about it now? I don’t lady very much, to be honest. I mostly just person.
I assume I’ll be falling into a nightmare spiral of drugs and suicide shortly.
So wait…the father who hauled Brandon in front of a judge to teach him to straighten up also broke the law to give him porn and booze?
One of these things is not like the other…one of these things just doesn’t belong…
Holly: I did learn about basic business attire… and where to get a good haircut. Um…
TBH, I don’t think my mom is that girly either. She’s a very practical lady. All the rest of the stuff I can think of is “how to use a power drill”, “how to paint a wall” and “keep a blanket and first aid kit in your car!” 😛
My Mom taught me how to cook and tried to teach me how to shoot a gun. I said no thank you on the latter but aced the former.
I think I get it. What you learn from spending time around men, based on that anecdote, is that you’re above the law.
No wonder Brandon turned out this way.