Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
@Bostonian: Just because I think my mother was sub par in her job doesn’t make me a misogynist.
I don’t shame sluts…I love them.
I question the cultural notions that what mothers do might not be “the most important job on the face of the earth” and that makes me hate women.
I imagine Father Brandon’s man-talks with his son would cover stuff like:
How to never let anyone take advantage of you.
Bootstraps!
All the ways chicks will try to swindle you into getting them pregnant
How horrible marriage is
Beer drinking
How to find a cheap flight to a foreign country
Basic computer programming
Sports?
… anything I missed?
I’m starting to think your lying problem is pathological.
The utility of the word “promiscuous.”
Molly, you forgot taping sex!
@Laura: Actually I would like to know what the solid goal of third-wave feminism is. First wave had voting rights, second-wave had employment and family changes. So what concrete, solid goal does third wave trying to accomplish?
My thought is similar to Marxist class struggle but just replacing class with gender. And “class struggle” is never ending with no clear goals.
All the legal things in the entire world ever, and other lawyerish stuff.
language, it’s just kind of this fuzzy thing that’s out there, man. what, some people use it communicate ideas? and that this might require shared definitions so everyone knows theyre talking about the same thing? fucking sickos. let me tell them about the cool logicity of the brandonverse.
Except that sluts are irresponsible and awful people that should not get married ever. Or have children. Or be treated like people. Other than that, you love them.
@Laura: Ok…think what you want. You are entitled to your own opinion. But I certainly don’t date prudish women. They are boring.
“And how the fuck are cancer rates and women living longer the fault of feminism? feminists cause cancer now? real intelligence there. Men abusing more alcohol and drugs too? FEMINISTSRAWRFhjDSJHHJ!!!”
Obviously, Quakers, we’re driving the men to drink.
@Bostonian: Sluts are people. Often very sexy people that have lots of sex. I love women that like lots of sex.
“Ok…think what you want. You are entitled to your own opinion. But I certainly don’t date prudish women. They are boring.”
So what’s the cutoff between “not boring” and “wouldn’t trust them to drive a truck”? 1 partner? 2?
Only sluts and prudes exist!
What a nuanced understanding of women.
(This is sarcasm, Brandon. I’m telling you because I know you’re slow about that sort of thing.)
“Sluts are people. Often very sexy people that have lots of sex. I love women that like lots of sex.”
I think Brandon forgot all about what he wrote about sluts and marriage… what was it, 24 hours ago?
Or is he now like, “Sluts are people too, you just can’t trust them enough to marry ’em?”
@Molly: What the hell do trucks have to do with anything? Oh…you are conflating and misinterpreting an analogy that I made earlier. Nice strawman!
So, uh… are you changing your mind and very sorry about the things you said before?
Or have you confused Manboobzerz with goldfish and you’re hoping that three seconds and a shiny object are enough to completely wipe our memories?
@Molly: Well since I am anti-marriage even for non-sluts…how does that make me a slut hater?
Marry a prudish women, then cheat on her with all the sluts. Or something. …Profit!
…Fuck it: bears fall, everybody gets eaten.
Maybe Brandon hasn’t yet developed object permanence and forgets his previous comments exist as soon as they’re off the page.
Brandon, I’m interested in how you would describe second wave feminism, and how it differs from third wave, and what your issues with third wave are.
I’m not even going to go into first wave, because there’s a common idea that it’s “Just, you know, women wanted to vote. And stuff. I mean, we gotta say we’re for that, so we can say feminism has gone too far! ” – But anyway, Brandon claims notion of “the waves” and says he’s totaly down with first AND SECOND. Interested. Tell me BRANDON’S HISTORY OF FEMINISM, and tell me where it went astray.
Your scare quotes make your opinions on motherhood pretty clear , Brandon. Since you are not a parent yourself, I think it’s best if you stop making declarations about the how easy and unimportant motherhood is.
Cue the “I NEVER SAID THAT” from Brandon.
@thebionicmommy: Again, not saying motherhood is easy or not important. I just think you hold it on this massive pedestal and have romanticized it to a point where even the slightest criticism of motherhood elicits a knee-jerk reaction from you to say I hate mothers.
“What the hell do trucks have to do with anything? Oh…you are conflating and misinterpreting an analogy that I made earlier. Nice strawman!”
Brandon, this isn’t even a strawman. It’s “What the eff do you even mean?”
Earlier you stated that you thought sluts weren’t good marriage material because they were irresponsible, and compared marrying one to trusting a drunk to drive an eighteen wheeler.
Now you’re talking about how sluts are people too, and that you love them.
Can you fill in the blank as to how we got from one to the other?