Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
it should be noted that brandon doesnt have opinions in an formal sense of the word so much as an aggregation of his petty needs and hatreds
NO ONE here respects you or your opinions. So, you know, why don’t you just tell us to fuck off or whatever you say to disrespectful bitches and hit the road?
“it should be noted that brandon doesnt have opinions in an formal sense of the word so much as an aggregation of his petty needs and hatreds”
Beautifully said.
But hellkell, I’m pretty sure we’re the only people who give him any form of attention. You can’t ask the poor, poor thing to give that up, now can you?
@holly
all men, no matter how short or out of shape, secretly have the ability to dunk a basketball, thanks to special techniques passed down from father to son. we just never use it around women out of fear of devaluing the majesty of a truly sick dunk.
Well now that Brandon linked an article from AVfM, he can finally admit he is an MRA. There is no denying it at this point.
@Holly: Because women do not live as men so they do not have experiences that only men have.
And your simplistic mind can only come back with “masturbation techniques”. That just shows me that you have little understanding of how men live their lives. Men often have shared experiences that few (or no) women have experienced.
@hellkell
he does it for the attention. i thought that was pretty obvious by now.
@lauralot
i dunno, i have a suspicion brandon behaves like a cad for attention irl too, and it probably works
I think we are implying that something went really badly with both mommy and daddy for you to turn out so bloody selfish.
@thebionicmommy: I have also linked to Jezebel and Feministing…does that make me a feminist?
Ready to admit you were wrong yet, Brandon?
@hellkell: Because I just like to annoy you…it is my sick fetish. 😉
Brandon, you said it was a well written article. If you like the stuff at AVfM, that’s a pretty big clue you’re an MRA. Your little quick meme links tearing down a straw feminist are also clues you’re an MRA.
@Julie: Well, if anything did go wrong…it would be my mothers fault.
fuck blockquotes
@thebionicmommy: I am sorry, I don’t subscribe to “I am what I link to”.
Oh wow, an MRA blaming his mom for how he turned out. That makes Brandon such a special snowflake.
(not really)
Yeah, you just link to random shit for no reason!
I’m just gonna let Aesop cover this:
@juliejezebel
previous episodes of ‘what about brandon’ suggest that they just werent very good at disciplining him, but then again it also appears that brandon was a shithead even as a kid so maybe there just wasnt anything they could do…
@katz: I also link to funny shit like this:
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3967502/Tatt-poo-for-cheating.html
Holy shit, what DOES happen in those locker rooms?
No, no, that’s simplistic of me. There’s also urinal etiquette, ball management as Sharculese wisely pointed out, and, um… proper comportment when playing at August National? You got me.
Brandon, if this is what passes for well written in the Brandon-verse, then your issues with reading comprehension and forming coherent, consistent arguments is pretty well explained. That said, the stats presented in the “article” (and, pet peeve, it’s not an article – it’s an essay) do not disprove the concept of male privilege. Some of the comparisons illustrate quite clearly, that there are serious issues facing men and boys in the U.S. that deserve action and consideration well beyond the scope, interest, and ability of the current MRM.
Just to provide one example, the number of men who commit suicide successfully does not disprove male privilege. It may very well indicate that greater outreach is required for men who suffer from depression. Perhaps more campaigns aimed towards men to promote regular visits to their doctors and/or mental health professionals. Maybe we need to work to increase awareness of the issues and dangers of depression and other forms of mental illness and the manners in which symptoms manifest in men. I think it would be wonderful if the MRM actually worked on those kinds of projects.
But, yeah, I can see why the hyena tumbler is more your speed. Vituperative, utterly pointless, and provides nothing of real value.
My “emotional level”? Mocking you for making completely unsubstantiated claims and assertions is emotional?
You’re like playing “army men” with my four year old play-nephew, Brandon. All I can do is shake my head and laugh.
*Augusta National.
See, this is why boys need a man to teach them typing.