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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: Yes I have. I have done my mothers, fathers, baby cousins, etc…

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: No I think it is arrogant of mothers to think they can provide everything for their sons. Just like I think it is arrogant of fathers to think the same.

Mothers need men to help raise their sons and Fathers need women to help raise their daughters. No where did I say mothers were useless.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

@Comrade: When did I say I would push all the child care onto the mother. Earlier I clearly stated that both people should be working and contributing equally to the home and child. That is equal.

At this point, I’m starting to think if Brandon was made to apologize for all of his lies, we’d be here for all eternity.

Still waiting.

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

Also, my mother a servant?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If you only knew her. She is the epitome of a “feminist”. Of all the things to label my mother…servant isn’t one of them.

Once again, you contradict yourself all over the place. You have nothing but contempt for feminists, but you defend your mother … by claiming she is a feminist. All this is, is a feeble attempt on your part to evade the obvious questions raised by your ranting:

– Since you are claiming that only fathers are capable of providing guidance and discipline, are you saying that mothers have no role in children’s upbringing apart from cooking, cleaning and laundry?

— Since you are claiming that fathers can raise daughters just fine, but mothers who raise sons are HARMING them, is it your claim that mothers have no contribution to parenting apart from giving birth and showing girls how to insert a tampon?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Nobinayamu: And lots of men raised by single mothers end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Your point is?

Wetherby
Wetherby
13 years ago

@Nobinayamu: And lots of men raised by single mothers end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Your point is?

And lots of men (and women) raised in a two-parent family also end up killing themselves or getting addicted to drugs. Or indeed both.

So your point is…?

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

@Amused: No I think it is arrogant of mothers to think they can provide everything for their sons. Just like I think it is arrogant of fathers to think the same.

Mothers need men to help raise their sons and Fathers need women to help raise their daughters. No where did I say mothers were useless.

You didn’t just say mothers were useless. You said that mothers who are raising their sons as single parents are actively HARMING them.

Moreover, you didn’t say that “mothers need men to help raise their sons” — you claimed that mothers cannot raise their sons without the father being around. At the same time, you claimed that a father is perfectly capable of raising daughters without the mother, as long as some women give him limited help on “female-specific” topics. In other words, you established a clear double standard, with fathers as innately superior parents for raising both male and female children.

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

I can also teach a boy how to bait a hook and throw a punch.

It might be technically a girl punch, but I’m sure once he practices and makes it his own it won’t be so different that it turns him into a suicidal drug addict.

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

There isn’t a single reputable study demonstrating a causal link between being raised by one’s mother and having a drug addiction, or being prone to suicide.

Comrade Svilova
Comrade Svilova
13 years ago

Girls can’t be used for fucking? When did this happen?

If you’re “using” a person you’re doing it wrong. Hence your seemingly irrational fear of FRA. Those of us who know a thing or two think you’re being paranoid, but maybe you have a legitimate reason to fear being accused of violating a partner. Food for thought.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

Brandon, lots of men raised by single fathers and or with two-parent families end up killing themselves or addicted to drugs. What’s your point?

Incidentally, my point was that you earlier stated that children with unreliable parents should just understand and accept the unreliability in order to avoid being unrealistic. By that logic, boys whose fathers are absent or peripheral should be able to accept that and become “manly.” Right?

And what’s with you demanding Wetherby provide citations for his claims about what you said? Didn’t you accuse Lauralot of being a man-hater without so much as a single quote?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Laura: keep waiting.

@Amused: While I love and care about my mother very much. The “feminist” part of her is actually quite annoying. She moves through life always trying to prove herself. It gets quite old very quickly. But that is just one part of her personality. I also don’t like parts of my fathers personality, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love him either.

Fathers would be harming their daughters if the father was going through life thinking they can provide everything for his daughter.

Nobinayamu
Nobinayamu
13 years ago

Ninja-ed.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

And what’s with you demanding Wetherby provide citations for his claims about what you said? Didn’t you accuse Lauralot of being a man-hater without so much as a single quote?

It’s almost as if he’s a hypocrite.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

Add single parents to the list of things Brandon knows nothing about and is actively working to offend.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Amused: Well I do think my father is the better parent.

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

@Amused: While I love and care about my mother very much. The “feminist” part of her is actually quite annoying. She moves through life always trying to prove herself. It gets quite old very quickly. But that is just one part of her personality. I also don’t like parts of my fathers personality, but that doesn’t mean I don’t love him either.

Maybe if her family didn’t regard her as useless beyond domestic services, maybe she wouldn’t need to always prove herself. On second thought, since in your view, only men ever have anything of substance to say, I guess every time she says something that goes beyond cooking and cleaning counts as “trying to prove herself” and I bet it annoys the hell out of you.

Fathers would be harming their daughters if the father was going through life thinking they can provide everything for his daughter.

Once again — you didn’t just say that mothers would be harming their sons if they thought they could provide everything. You said mothers are harming their sons by raising them as single parents. You are still allowing for fathers to count as good parents even if they are single, while claiming that single mothers are pretty much child abusers just by virtue of their status.

Bee
Bee
13 years ago

I know Brandon doesn’t like evidence, but I’m just gonna leave this here.

“Those who grow up with single mothers with adequate socioeconomic resources tend to do well. The children of poor single mothers are more at risk,” Biblarz says. “Many of the results that say that kids are at increased risk for negative outcomes have to do with economics.” …

“What’s important is not whether they are raised by one or two parents. It’s how good is the relationship with the parent, how much support they’re getting from that parent and how harmonious is the environment.”

Unfortunately, I didn’t see anything about risk levels relating to a noncustodial parent’s refusal to pick up a birthday cake because he was asked in an insufficiently groveling manner.

Wetherby
Wetherby
13 years ago

@Laura: keep waiting.

Brandon, I hope you realize that until such time as you provide the requested evidence to back up your claim that Lauralot is a man-hater or admit that you can’t and apologize to her, you’re tacitly admitting “I am full of shit – please feel free to disbelieve everything else I say?”

After all, if you tell a blatant lie once, what’s to stop you from doing it again? And again?

Amused
Amused
13 years ago

@Amused: Well I do think my father is the better parent.

Well, of course — after all, much less is required of him than of your mother to meet that standard.

Comrade Svilova
Comrade Svilova
13 years ago

Yeah, Brandon, why can’t boys who don’t have fathers in their lives just realize that no one’s going to help them, they shouldn’t rely on others, and just become men on their own?

Holly Pervocracy
13 years ago

What about two women raising a boy, or two men raising a girl? What’s the Brandon Verdict on that?

(The scientific verdict is somewhere between “no harm” and “actually better than the average heterosexual couple,” but I’m waiting to hear what Brandon comes off the cuff with.)

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

After all, if you tell a blatant lie once, what’s to stop you from doing it again? And again?

Ah, but remember, he doesn’t care what we think!

http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t92/Lauralot/brandonisthatyou.jpg

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

She is the epitome of a “feminist”. Of all the things to label my mother…servant isn’t one of them.

How about “saint” as she somehow never smothered you in your sleep?

I have done my mothers, fathers, baby cousins, etc…

This sentence is why apostrophes are important. Brandon, you perv.

Bagelsan
Bagelsan
13 years ago

Objection, Lauralot, that meme seems to imply that Brandon is “interesting”!

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