Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
I believe she likes it up against the wall too.
Once a woman lays her eggsac in the guts of a man, he is then forced to work mindlessly to support her parasitic ways until her young burst out of his chest cavity. This is like basic knowledge, here.
And after, he’s supposed to sew up the wound, get working, and pay her a bank.
@Wetherby:
1) Can you point to a line in that post you linked to that says “Housework isn’t work”
2) That doesn’t say that parenting is easy. It says that parenting is relative to other jobs. Parenting is certainly more difficult than being a cashier at 7-11 but less difficult than being a brain surgeon. Just because I think being a stay at home parent isn’t “the most difficult job in the world” that doesn’t mean believe the complete opposite and that it isn’t work at all. You might want to try and see the grey areas of life and not think in such black and white terms.
Well, obviously some of me are busy falsely accusing Brandon of rape, and putting flouride in NWO’s water. I’m a multitasker.
Eventually, Brandon’s posts will be responded to only with videos.
“I believe she likes it up against the wall too.”
And not only that, but DIFFERENT SPEEDS!
P.S. this is my favorite song dealing with a blow-up doll.
I don’t think anyone here particularly cares how you feel about Ashley, except that you invariably contradict yourself when you talk about her. Or, it would be more accurate to say, whatever you may claim, you come across as a person who can never have any feelings for another human being (other than resentment, competitiveness and mistrust). The only person you have positive feelings for is Brandon.
Videos with beats.
Bears. Not beats. Bears.
@Amused: my mother provided a warm and loving home to grow up in. Unfortunately she didn’t understand how to raise a boy into a man. I needed my father for that.
What happens if a boy isn’t raised into a man?
Do they grow up without a gender? Or do they turn into, like, a bear?
Also, does raising a boy into a man consist entirely of things like playing catch, taking him fishing, having maybe once a month heart-to-hearts about girls, and then letting the mom cook dinner and wash dishes every night?
@Holly: Your ignorance is showing. You might want to tuck that back in.
“warm and loving home” = laundry and butler service. So my characterization was correct.
Incidentally, which one of your parents raised you to be a paranoid, selfish, loveless, videotaping-women-without-consent asshole? You call that being a man? Heh.
Also, what are your views on the upbringing of girls? If mothers aren’t necessary for raising boys (except for that whole laundry and cleaning stuff), is it fair to say that fathers aren’t necessary for the raising of girls (since they don’t know what women face or what it’s like to be women)?
Brandon, do you actually understand sarcasm? I mean, seriously?
No, they turn into “manginas” who don’t videotape women having sex with them without those women’s consent. Losers.
Bingo. Mom is just a servant, dad is the “fun” parent, who teaches you facts of life — like that girls are only good for recreational fucking, videotaping them without consent, and having them wait on you.
@Amused: Actually I have been doing my own laundry since I was 12.
I think fathers can raise daughters but other women need to be used to help guide the daughter when it comes to “female-specific” topics. A father can’t provide everything to his daughter, but he can try and realize where he needs help.
Women don’t have a right to be a stay at home mother. If I don’t want to support her at home, then she stays working or she goes and finds a man that will. Pretty damn simple if you ask me.
Um, I said that if you were going to have an equitable household either one of you COULD stay home OR you could share child-rearing equally. So YOU could be a stay at home dad if you wanted OR you could split the time of childcare equally and pool financial resources to support the kid (in this hypothetical case).
I never would suggest that anyone has to support their partner as a stay-at-home-parent. I do think that partners need to decide TOGETHER how they will accommodate the demands of a child. And you’re pretty clearly the kind of person who would leave most childcare to your partner while also, apparently, expecting her to hold down a full-time job and pay her own way. As people have said, you would want your partner to basically be a single mom who lives in your house.
@Amused: Girls can’t be used for fucking? When did this happen?
Also, my mother a servant?! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. If you only knew her. She is the epitome of a “feminist”. Of all the things to label my mother…servant isn’t one of them.
Brandon:
With pleasure.
“Lastly, I think marriage is a way for both parties to exploit each other. Men get a stay at home servant and the woman gets money and resources without working (in a typical breadwinner/stay at home scenario).”
The words “without working”, and the inference that this situation is “typical” is everything I need to support the claim that you don’t believe that housework constitutes work.
Your exact words were “I don’t see “woman’s work” and “man’s work”. I see “easy work” and “hard work”. A female attorney is doing a hard job that requires years of expertise. Any idiot can become a parent.”
I think “parenting is easy” is an entirely reasonable condensation of that.
But do you see what I did? By providing supporting evidence, I offered you the opportunity to see what you’d written earlier and gave you the option of revising or clarifying your position. But by refusing to provide evidence to back up your claim that Lauralot is a man-hater, she is unable to do this because it’s near-impossible to prove a negative.
So can you prove it? Or are you going to finally apologize to her for telling such a blatant lie?
So, you believe that fathers can raise daughters “with help”, but mothers are utterly incapable of raising sons, with help or without. Nice misogyny there.
Ever done anyone else’s?
@Comrade: When did I say I would push all the child care onto the mother. Earlier I clearly stated that both people should be working and contributing equally to the home and child. That is equal.
But lots of men grow up to become perfectly good and capable men without engaged or present fathers. My man’s father didn’t want a thing to do with him, apart from financial considerations, and he grew up just fine.
In my opinion it’s just foolish for a young man to require the guidance of a father if he has a mother who is providing a stable and loving home. I have to wonder what was wrong with Brandon that his mother’s warm and loving home wasn’t enough to trigger his inherent manliness?
An insufficient sense of self-reliance perhaps.*
*It kills the joke to have to explain sarcasm but, you know, this is Brandon.
Perhaps your mom’s relationship with you was informed by the presence and man-mentorship of your dad and all of his judge-friends. Perhaps you can’t really extrapolate how all single mom-son relationships are from your singular experience of being Brandon, Brandon.
I know it would break the Code, but I’m sort of manly (even though I was raised mostly by my mother! how’d that happen???), so Brandon, would you care to tell us what these “man-specific topics” that only a man can teach a boy are?
I’ve got a pretty good handle on how y’all pee standing up, if that’s the issue.