Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
@Laura: So you are saying women in general have a right to force a man to support them so they can stay at home?
@Holly: Ashley is perfect for me. I consider myself very lucky that I met a woman like her. She truly is one in a million.
@Holly: Ashley is perfect for me. I consider myself very lucky that I met a woman like her. She truly is one in a million.
I WAS ashnostic, but now I think I’m an unbeliever…
@Zhinxy: Actually in that instance, I compared not conflated.
Not women in general. Women who are contributing thousands of dollars worth of work (and that’s not theoretical work, that’s what you would actually pay if she didn’t) to the care of your child.
Awww. I guess there is possibility 3, which is that you’re actually much more flexible with her but are doing some “I don’t let no woman give me no guff!” posturing to impress us with what a shit-not-taking hardass you totally are.
@Zhinxy: Actually in that instance, I compared not conflated.
You did, and that is the perfect brandon response to me getting the word not quite right.
Yes, and we also have the right to lay our eggsacs directly into his fleshy belly. Women are the worst!
@Holly: Ashley is perfect for me. I consider myself very lucky that I met a woman like her. She truly is one in a million.
@Holly: My feelings about Ashley don’t get communicated here often because they are often irrelevant to the topic being discussed. But just because I don’t ramble on and on about how much I care about Ashley, that doesn’t mean I don’t care about her.
Maybe when she gets home from work everyday she asks him if he’s been good, and then he says that no, he’s been very naughty, and then she asks how he’s been naughty and he responds like he acted like a dumb misogynist, and then she makes him show her all the stupid things he says online and apologize while she spanks him. It’s the most likely theory, really.
@Bagelsan: She knows I post here.
What he’s saying is that there are like 7,000 Ashleys in the world. ;D
@Brandon: yes, her knowledge was part of my described scenario, in fact. 😀
That’s nice, but are you getting the part where childcare (including the care that takes place after the kid is home from daycare) is an item with a value in the thousands of dollars per month?
If a mother chooses to work, she has to purchase (a share of) this item. It may be out of her price range. Thus someone can be not too poor to stay home, but too poor to not stay home.
If a mother gifts you this item for your child, she has given you something of cold hard cash value.
@Bagelsan: That just means there are about 100 million of you in the world.
Brandon:
Indeed you didn’t. What you actually said was:
1. that stay-at-home moms don’t work at all;
2. that parenting is easy.
I know you don’t believe in providing supporting evidence, but others are welcome to check my links.
Don’t worry, Brandon, I understand you. You are a man of strong conviction, you know exactly what you want and by golly you’re gonna get it. If women don’t like it, they can giiit out. Brandon plays by his own rules, where Brandon always comes out on top! I think I have a little anthem tucked away that suits you perfectly. 🙂
@Holly: So what part of that gives her the right to force another human being to do something they don’t want to do.
But talking about how much Ashley likes being called a slut in bed is completely relevant to a discussion about the term “slut” being used as shaming language in the public sphere.
Tomato, tomahto.
Also, couples never make the decision for one person to work at home as primary caretaker to children after thoughtful consideration and discussion. Men are “forced” to work outside home by free-loading women.
Men who are stay-at-home dads do not factor into this because there aren’t any of them. I mean, there might be a few but their friends all laugh at them. I mean, Brandon doesn’t want to be a stay-at-home father so it doesn’t count.
@Brandon: the part where she lays the eggsac in you! Weren’t you listening?
@Bagelsan: That just means there are about 100 million of you in the world.
OOOH! And all of them making comments???? If fucking ONLY!
@Brandon:
“@Holly: My feelings about Ashley don’t get communicated here often because they are often irrelevant to the topic being discussed.”
What I don’t understand is why you bring her up at all.
Brandon – So what part of that gives her the right to force another human being to do something they don’t want to do.
The part where it’s your kid, and if the mother doesn’t want to care for it, you’re on the hook for (at least) half of the cost of childcare. And good luck telling a nanny or daycare center “you can’t force me to pay you! I’m a human being!” They want large and specific amounts of cash up front for their childcare work.
Or you could always stay home with the kid. But then your balls might drop off.
You will notice, that paper provides citations to actual studies — none of them carried out by NOW.
What is YOUR source of “unbiased statistics”? ‘Cause you know, “Brandon says so” doesn’t qualify.
You didn’t say it, but it’s implied. If fathers are necessary for guidance and discipline, what are mothers for?