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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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random6x7
random6x7
13 years ago

Brandon, my father pulled that shit on my mother. My mother didn’t treat him with respect, because he didn’t deserve it. Guess which one I still speak to?

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“VoiP, the woman in this scenario gets nothing and likes it, apparently.”

She probably gets a spanking.

“So just say you’re cool with double standards and stop being such a fucking weasel.”

Did you just TELL him what to do?! You monster! He’ll never do it now!

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Hellkell: I walk through life being polite and respectful to people and not demanding anything in return. I think it is funny that being polite and respectful is somehow “asking too much” of someone…especially when they are asking you for something.

Also, Ashley is a strong woman. If she didn’t like the way I am treating her, she wouldn’t take it and she would leave me. She hasn’t, so clearly I am treating her well. So the idea that I am abusive and controlling is even more hysterical.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@hellkell: I never said I was opposed to double standards.

Jules
Jules
13 years ago

Then Brandon? You are not accurately or adequately describing what you mean. Cause what you are saying? Is giving most of us the impression that you are a jackhole.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Molly, I have no fucking idea–I had to read it several times to parse the density, and that’s all I could come up with.

I’m sure Ashley loves it, Brandon. Did I tell you I’m Ashnostic?

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

RealDolls are strong women?! Meller will be none too pleased about this.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Very good, Brandon, you said something clearly. Here’s a cookie.

I still think you’re an asshole but at least you believe in something, even if it is your inalienable right to be a double-standard bearing douchebro jagoff.

katz
13 years ago

I never said I was opposed to double standards.

You’ve repeatedly said that you obey the same rules you expect everyone else to obey. In related news, John McCain isn’t a maverick.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

Jules: regarding Brandon, same point, just a different way of showing it.

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@random: My parents didn’t get along at all (they can deal with each other in small increments). But they always treated each other with respect because they were trying to do right by me. They never argued or fought in front of me and neither one would bad mouth the other behind the other’s back. If my mother punished me right before my fathers weekend, my father would continue the punishment at his place. It wasn’t until I became an adult that my father told me that he hated doing it because he lost his time with me. But he did it because he thought stability was important and that I couldn’t just piss mom off before I left for his house. They held me accountable on a consistent basis even though they disliked each other.

While they didn’t agree with how to raise me, they thought it was more important to be consistent with me.

They were always polite to each other regardless if the other “deserved” it or not.

I know some pretty shitty mothers and I always say something to the father when he is bad mouthing the mother. Usually along the lines of “Hey, you can dislike her all you want and think she is a dumb bitch…but that is still YOUR child’s mother. You aren’t helping your child by talking that way in front of him/her”.

My parents put aside their differences and focused on raising me. This quality is severely lacking in our society and it is a shame.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“You aren’t helping your child by talking that way in front of him/her”

Yet refusing to get things for your child because his/her mother didn’t ask right is totally HELPING, amirite?

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Which just proves that you can try to raise ’em right, but there are no guarantees that they won’t grow up to a complete self-centered pain in the ass.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

True indeed Hellkell, my parents hated each other to the point that they will not speak to each other (and my dad even left my high school graduation early just to avoid my mom) after more then thirty years.

And yet I managed to grow up without becoming so egotistical and self centered that I create my own gravitational field.

Which makes me wonder if I could be even MORE better without that hatred in my life?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Jules: Or maybe you are drawing conclusions that are incorrect and based on assumptions.

@Lauralot: I would still rather fuck a Real Doll than a man hating feminist (i.e you).

@Katz: Can you not be so vague? Are you talking about general laws or the mutual expectations I set up with Ashley?

@hellkell: Ashnostic huh? Well, I have no plans on proving your wrong since I wont upload any photos disproving it. So I guess you will just have to have a little “faith”.

random6x7
random6x7
13 years ago

That’s lovely for you, Brandon, and I’m glad you grew up with great parents. My father is a selfish, immature asshole. My mother wasn’t shitty by any means; she was dealing with circumstances beyond anything I can even imagine. I was just pointing out that, in my situation, the disrespectful behavior of my father (and it was massively disrespectful) was far worse than that of my mother. Actually, her lack of tact about his behavior was probably far better for my psyche in the long run, because she was clearly showing that I shouldn’t have to put up with his shit. So, no, “disrespect” as you define it is not necessarily worse than, again, using your children to get back at their other spouse.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

“@Lauralot: I would still rather fuck a Real Doll than a man hating feminist (i.e you).”

You know you’re talking to the girl who doesn’t want to fuck anything, right? Aside from that being an elementary school taunt, why in the hell do you think I’d give a shit?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Lauralot: Again, there are multiple forms of support. When it comes to emotional and psychological support, I will give everything I can to my kid. But when it comes to money, I have the right to not be taken advantage of, to question the intentions of the mother and to decide if it is in the best interests of my child. This is especially true if she is calling me looking for a favor and we aren’t together.

hellkell
hellkell
13 years ago

Lauralot: he’d rather fuck a Real Doll than you! BURN!

Yeah, like she doesn’t have an elaborate system of valves and pumps. Whatevs.

Lauralot
Lauralot
13 years ago

A clever retort would have been something like “I don’t have to tape my RealDoll encounters!”

Not “Hey woman who hates my guts, you don’t get my dick that you don’t want! Also, you hate boys! Na na na na naa!”

kristinmh
kristinmh
13 years ago

Brandon! Are you Canadian?

My USian mother to me as a child: Kristin, go clean your room.

Child me: OK.

My Canadian dad: Kristin, can you go clean your room?

Child me: Do I have to?

Dad: Yes.

Me: Then why did you ask?

Eventually my mother explicitly told me that when Daddy asked me to do something like that it wasn’t a request but an instruction I needed to follow, that he was just freakishly polite.

In spite of being half USian I definitely use the Canadian form of request with my husband (ie., “Can you pick up some dog food this afternoon/get that client to pay you/ figure out which cellphone you want to get before the sale ends?”) Seriously, Brandon, I would suggest you move here and find a Canadian girl if you want someone who’ll phrase all needs as polite requests rather than use the word “need”. She would probably find you a loud, boorish, overbearing asshole, but at least YOU’D be respected!

Also keep fucking that chicken.

darksidecat
13 years ago

“Selflessness” as an ideal makes for a horrible relationship. People who do not value themselves or their contributions, and see them as valued by their partner, are generally extremely unhappy. Telling people to “sit back and swallow the shit because anything else is selfish” creates miserable relationships. Granted, people can go too far in loving themselves and become arrogant or narcisstic (fyi, the selflessness comment coming from grand narcissist Brandon is rather hilarious), but people who do not love themselves and take themselves into consideration at all, well, that’s pretty much a form of severe clinical depression. Making small compromises isn’t bad, but being expected to sacrifice all of yourself and all of who you are is horrible. I most certainly do not want my partners to be selfless, nor will I be selfless myself. I want them to be confident and secure in who they are and to love themselves, ideally (I’m not saying I wouldn’t date someone with serious self esteem or depression issues…actually, considering my personality, it probably is a good idea for me and for them if I try and avoid those situations).

I will be generous, giving and loving on my own terms.

Quite frankly people should be more selfish. Being selfish doesn’t mean you don’t care about others.

So, not selfless at all. As usual, the expectation to give up all of one’s self and one’s own interests in a relationship is only thrown at the woman.

I also suspect his “slut” notions only apply to women. By your own standards, aren’t you a slut, Brandon?

And the child raising, Brandon seems more than willing to deliberately inflict suffering on a child as a petty form of control and punishment on the other parent. Please, Brandon, get that vasectemy ASAP.

I am actually against marriage as a legal and socio-cultural institution. I only see same sex marriage rights as a bandaid solution to get people the immediate legal benefits that we have asininely attached to marriage until we can strip those benefits from having to be married for all people as the long term solution. Granted, perhaps if we eliminate all of the social and legal privileges of marriage some people’s relationships will still look like what we would view today as “marriages”, but it would be a moot distinction from other forms of relationships.

Of course, Brandon’s views about marriage are rooted in sexism rather than genuine social critique, and his relationship and childrearing standards are unhealthy and damaging even outside of a marriage arena.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
13 years ago

It is a favor to take care of one’s child? What a weird way of looking at it.

random6x7
random6x7
13 years ago

…But if it’s a favor for the kid, you’d still be all questioning? How is that not disrespectful to her? Unless, using the above examples, you think she’s running a black market Trapper Keeper and birthday cake operation and sees you as the patsy supplier?

Brandon
Brandon
13 years ago

@Kristen: Cute.

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