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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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random6x7
random6x7
12 years ago

But in the hypothetical, you’re doing that by punishing the child. Parents who do that are not good parents.

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

How is saying’ “Hey we need milk” disrespectful?

I mean, I do get that you want to be polite to people and vice versa. But there is a huge difference between, “Hey we need milk” and “Get the fucking milk, ya bastid.” or whatever.

There’s tone, there’s context….If a teacher said, You need to help your child with reading.” The teacher is saying, “The kid needs help. You are the one to help them.” You must be at odds with most of the world Brandon.

And if you don’t help the child with reading because of the ill conceived grammar of the teacher, you are a big jerk.

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

Lauralot said:
You don’t care if a woman you date has a job.

Yet you won’t support a woman you date.

@Lauralot: Define “support the woman you date”.

Here are things that you said in this thread. It looks like you need help remembering stuff, so I copypasted them for you.

@Holly: Again, I am under no obligation to take care of the child’s mother. I am however responsible for taking care of the child.
@thebionicmommy: Yes it is absurd. It is also absurd to demand men pay women to raise their own children. That was the point I was getting across.

Back in the day, men displayed their “status and provider ability”, with a respectful and high paying career. Now that more women are graduating college and earning money, it isn’t a big deal anymore. Instead of complaining about it, let’s use it as an opportunity to make men’s lives better. There is a lot of positives to men not being forced into provider roles. In fact, I think men should actively shun that role and refuse to take it.

@Polliwogs: Why would I support more stay at home fathers? I don’t even support stay at home mothers. The notion that it is an actual option needs to change. Luckily for me, society is moving in that direction anyways.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

Since Brandon is a control freak (witness the overuse of the word “allow”), the latter way is telling him what to do and no one tells Baby to…I mean Brandon what to do.

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

@Holly: People can do whatever they want. I have no control over what others do. However, I will not be with a woman that aspires to be a stay at home mother nor will I allow her to become one. If she doesn’t like that, there are 3+ billion more men out there….let her find one that will let her stay home.

@Bee: I am required by law to take care of a child I helped create. I am not required to take care of the woman that created said child.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

@Elizabeth: I am not doing it out of spite. I am doing it because she was being disrespectful and I don’t reward people that are disrespectful. That just allows them to be even more disrespectful in the future. So unless I try and fix it now it will only get worse.

By punishing your child because of the actions of another. Stellar reasoning there Brandon.

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

@Elizabeth: I am not doing it out of spite. I am doing it because she was being disrespectful and I don’t reward people that are disrespectful. That just allows them to be even more disrespectful in the future. So unless I try and fix it now it will only get worse.

I’m trying to look at this in a way that doesn’t say “dog training,” and I just can’t.

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Jules: That is not an order is it? Nope.

If she said “Hey, get up and go to the store and buy milk”. That’s an order! I would tell her pompous assuming ass to fuck off and if she wants it so much, she can go get it.

We can rework that to “Hey, can you run to the store and buy milk because we need ran out?” Which I would most likely reply with “Sure, no problem. Do we need anything else since I am going out?”

A polite and respectful woman…always at the top of the marriage/dating list!

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Brandon, are you so insecure that everything–including asking for fucking milk from the store–has to be about “respect” with you?

You know who’s real hung up on respect and control? Abusers.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

Also appears to push over the line to abusive behavior really-calm down NWO, they are not living together so she cannot get him kicked out of his house-by harming someone she presumably loves to ensure her “proper” behavior.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Umm…if a woman doesn’t want to marry me because she thinks I am a slut…well that is her choice as well.

Thank you for not getting it, yet again. Does stupid hurt?

Molly Ren
12 years ago

Well, now I’m confused. How is “Hey, I’m really swamped getting things set up for Billy’s birthday party, so I need you to run by the store and pick up the cake” a rude order, then?

Also, you do realize that saying a women can just not choose to marry you is totally avoiding the question of what you think a slut is, right? How is a woman having more than one partner making her unmarriagable when you’ve admitted to doing the same and still want to get married? What is she doing that you aren’t?

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Well I suppose we aren’t in disagreement Brandon. But can you see that your fixation on “respect” is kind of pathological? To the point of denying a kid something they might need? Then again, why do I ask? This is the same Brandon who thinks even though it might be illegal to film sex without someone’s knowledge, so long as it will protect him from some false allegation of rape, it’s totally ok.

Not ok to demand milk from the store. Totally ok to film someone naked without their knowledge or permission. No disrespect there.

Got it.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

It is not respectful enough therefore to ensure that she never does it again, he will punish their child.

Which is nearly as fucked up as if he had hit her for saying it.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

@Molly Ren: Having sex while possessing a vagina, that’s what.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

A polite and respectful woman OR ELSE…always at the top of the marriage/dating list!

There I fixed your recipe for marital success for you.

Who cares what qualities go at the top of the list if you don’t want to get married?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Voip: Apparently you are taking the word “support” WAY to literally.

Every quote was about financial support while the last quote was just an off the cuff comment about a social issue.

Support has many aspects to it: Physical, financial, emotional, psychological, etc…

So I think lauralot needs to be a little bit more specific when she is saying I wont support a woman I am dating. Basically she needs to back up her accusation, otherwise she is full of shit.

@random: And what makes good parents? One parent treating the other one like shit? That must be really good for the child’s psyche. And in my opinion the child’s psyche is far more important than a Trapper Keeper and a few pens.

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

Brandon, what the fuck does the woman get in this scenario? She has to be “polite and respectful” to someone who, from what I can see from your description, treats her and (if y’all have one) her child like shit, doesn’t support her, doesn’t even support the kid if she doesn’t kiss ass enough, and probably videotapes her having sex without her knowledge or consent. Meanwhile, he can sleep around, but if she does, she’s “like a drunk” and “not wife material.” Why on earth would a woman stay with a man who thinks as you do?.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Oh, well, Brandon, if it’s just off the cuff shit you’re spewing, that’s just fine.

/sarcasm

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@hellkell: No I get it. You want me to say “I am a slut and it is wrong to demand that my partner isn’t one”

But I don’t think it is wrong…so I am not going to say it.

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Voip, cause he’s Brandon! He’s totally awesome!

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

VoiP, the woman in this scenario gets nothing and likes it, apparently.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

“So I think lauralot needs to be a little bit more specific when she is saying I wont support a woman I am dating. Basically she needs to back up her accusation, otherwise she is full of shit.”

In other words, I called the lie between you claiming that men don’t care if women they date have jobs despite your previous statements that you wouldn’t financially support a woman, so you make up some bullshit about clarity and what kind of support I’m talking about.

That, or your reading comprehension is even worse than previously thought.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

So just say you’re cool with double standards and stop being such a fucking weasel.

Molly Ren
12 years ago

“@hellkell: No I get it. You want me to say ‘I am a slut and it is wrong to demand that my partner isn’t one’

“But I don’t think it is wrong…so I am not going to say it.”

Okay, peeps: am I just too tired to read, or is it actually hard to tell whether he is agreeing or disagreeing with hellkell here?

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