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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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random6x7
random6x7
12 years ago

This is way late, but I’d just like to point out how amusing it is to see Brandon say that men can’t become stay-at-home dads because their friends will laugh at them. So much for ignoring what people say about you and going your own way, eh?

Also, using your children to get back at their other parent is vile .

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Also, no one talks that way… Sure I can actually see a point where if I use the word “need” in a sentence rather than in a question, it seems more directive. But that’s a short cut for most people, not a contemptuous command.

Hey honey, we need milk at the store, pick some up while you are there….it’s more directive than

Hey honey, will you please get milk, since you’ll already be there? More of a question.

The underlying message is the same-we need milk in the house.

We use both forms in my house, both of us, at each other depending. The tone is generally always kind. No one seems to feel trodden upon.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

it is not my place to tell them they are wrong. However, I will advocate why I think I am right.

Like when you roll in here with your dudely wisdom and tell us we’re wrong.

By your logic, I can act like a complete and utter asshole to people and get offended when they don’t give me what I want.

You do every time we won’t let you be Boss Feminist.

As far as you not raising a shallow dimwit, I’d pay to see that. You’re way too up your own ass and in love with what you see there, so you ending up with a brat is a foregone conclusion.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Brandon, if you want to complain at someone for being the Klan, why not complain at DKM?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Voip:

Are you retarded?

1) I am not sleeping around. When I am not in a monogamous relationship, I will date multiple women at the same time.

2) I care about my partner’s sluttiness. Most women I have met don’t really care about how many women their current boyfriends slept with. But if they did, you would see men not fuck around so much.

Let me put it another way. Most women value a man with a job right? Far fewer women are going to date and sleep with a man who is unemployed. So it is in a man’s best interest to have a job.

On the other hand, most men don’t really care if the women they date have jobs or go to school. A woman’s career does very little in increasing her attractiveness to me and a lot of other men.

Also, I never said sluts are bad people, just that they are unsuited for the role of wife. I also wouldn’t hire a drunk to be a truck driver. Their lifestyle, behaviors and idiosyncrasies run counter to what makes a good wife.

I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one.

@Elizabeth: Just because someone tells me a child “needs” something doesn’t mean I think they do.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

You don’t care if a woman you date has a job.

Yet you won’t support a woman you date.

It’s like musical chairs.

ozymandias42
12 years ago

Men… don’t care if their partners have jobs? Uh. You do realize that contradicts what you said earlier this fucking thread.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

Swing your goalpost round and round!

Molly Ren
12 years ago

“I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one. ”

So the woman you marry will be marrying a slut and she shouldn’t mind? Don’t you want the woman you marry to have like, standards? It’d be like she was trusting a drunk to drive an eighteen wheeler!

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

When I am not in a monogamous relationship, I will date multiple women at the same time.

THIS IS SLUTTINESS! RIGHT HERE!

I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one.

Why do you hate in others the same thing that’s OK if you do it? Do you not see that this is hypocrisy?

random6x7
random6x7
12 years ago

Your wife, Brandon, your wife. Plenty of “sluts”, whether you’re talking about promiscuous women or people with actual sex addiction, have managed to have happy marriages. There’s nothing about having lots of sexual experience that makes it impossible to walk down the aisle.

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Right, Lauralot. It makes no sense. And Brandon, if a teacher tells you the kid needs something for school, I guess you think you get to make the determination so long as the teacher acts subordinate enough?

Or if a doctor says, wow, this kid needs vitamins. Go get some. Then you decide who is right?

I suppose you’d do it if the doctor was an older man. God help your kid if the pediatrician is a chick.

VoiP
VoiP
12 years ago

Are you retarded?

Dude, you said this in the first thread you participated in here.

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Brandon = this =Why do you hate in others the same thing that’s OK if you do it? Do you not see that this is hypocrisy?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

How would you know your wife was a slut, Brandon? Do you really think a woman would be honest with you about her number? Do you think she wouldn’t be able to see the cartoon stink lines of disapproval coming off you when you asked the question?

I might divide by three if we’re imagining a world where I’m so dumb I’d even think about getting involved with a douche like Brandon.

Molly Ren
12 years ago

… does Brandon think the vagina gets all used up? Or does he just think women are inherently less trustworthy than men?

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

So, wait, Brandon, you no longer care if Ashley has a job?

Does being a weasel ever get old?

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

@Elizabeth: Just because someone tells me a child “needs” something doesn’t mean I think they do.

I really need to just have that link on failure to communicate on my clipboard because that is not what anyone was referring to, including you.

What we were referring to is you refusing, simply out of spite, to purchase an item for your child because the mother phrased the request in a way you found objectionable. Not if this was a needed item or not. Just simply any item at all she asks you to pick up for your child because the child NEEDS this item.

And because she says it in the wrong way, you will deny your child. Punishing the child for no reason other then spite.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

I never said I wasn’t a slut…I just don’t want to marry one.

This is why you suck. Double standard much?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Lauralot: Define “support the woman you date”.

@Jules: There is a difference between “your child needs X” and “I need you to go get X”.

Also, when I talk with Ashley, I always ask her if she wants to do something. I don’t just say “I need you to do X”. I ask her…”Ashley, can you please do X for me”. I actually treat her like a human and allow her to choose what she wants to do.

If being polite is submissive then this world is seriously fucked.

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@hellkell: Umm…if a woman doesn’t want to marry me because she thinks I am a slut…well that is her choice as well.

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

So if Ashley said, offhandedly, “Hey, we need milk since you are going to the store.” Would you not get milk?

Molly Ren
12 years ago

Brandon: I’m just trying to figure out how the example you gave *wasn’t* polite, is all? *confused*

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

“I actually treat her like a human and allow her to choose what she wants to do.”

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Elizabeth: I am not doing it out of spite. I am doing it because she was being disrespectful and I don’t reward people that are disrespectful. That just allows them to be even more disrespectful in the future. So unless I try and fix it now it will only get worse.

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