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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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Jules
Jules
12 years ago

I love how you won’t answer the question Brandon. What happens if Ashley needs more from you than you intended. She’s got a terrible, god forbid, disease?

katz
12 years ago

All of the expectations we have were talked about and agreed upon together. So, despite what you think, she does have a say in the matter. I don’t just tell her what rules she has to follow.

Why do I suspect that this conversation went “If you don’t agree with me on X, I’m leaving?” (Also, requisite: Pillows can’t disagree.)

Also also, hey, the protagonist of Shame is a sex addict named Brandon.

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Also, what the hell did you expect from a site that has the words ‘mocking’ and ‘misogyny’ in it’s title? No matter how many time you reveal the Real Truth about Men and Women ™, no one here is going to realize feminism is wrong, repent of their sins and bow down to you as lord and master. It just ain’t gonna happen. Yet you keep coming back, same delusional fantasy and all. What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@hellkell: While I think the way I live is good and I would like to see more men adopt it. I don’t have the authority to actually boss them around.

Me: I want you to do XYZ!

Random dude: Ya, ok buddy!

Me: NOW!!!

Random dude: whatever!

Me: Oh well, I guess I better have to talk to him and explain the reasons why my lifestyle is better instead of being a dick and yelling at him.

Do you see the difference yet?

katz
12 years ago

What’s the definition of insanity again? Something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

OK, pet peeve: I hate this idiom. Maybe it’s because I work with computers, where the first thing you always do is repeat it and see if you can replicate the problem.

But “talking to people who think you’re an idiot and expecting to change their minds certainly qualifies as…well, stupidity and futility, at least.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

That’s some bullshit right there Brandon. I’m sure you get all fluffed up snoot-poodle likeyou do here and bloviate the poor fucker to death. A true hit at parties.

Yet you believe you have the authority to come here and tell us we’re doin’ it wrong.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

You mean a slut named Brandon, right Katz? As I understand it, they’re exactly the same.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

Just because I have an issue with marriage doesn’t mean I am somehow hating on married people. They made a choice I wouldn’t have made because it isn’t right for me. That doesn’t make them bad people.

However, I am in favor of removing marriage from society. That doesn’t prevent you from having children or living with your SO.

“I do not hate married people-I just want prevent them from even getting married in the first place. It SO is not the same thing at ALL (even though I know it is.)”

Pecunium
12 years ago

Brandon: @hellkell: And when did I say women did not have those traits. I just didn’t speak for women. Why? Because I don’t have a vagina.

Unless you think they are being a “slut, or “promiscuous” (whatever you mean by that). Then they have bad judgement and are seeking external validation, and you know it: the same way you can tell which of two jobs you don’t know how to do it the “easier”.

PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
PosterformerlyknownasElizabeth
12 years ago

@Katz: All of the expectations we have were talked about and agreed upon together. So, despite what you think, she does have a say in the matter. I don’t just tell her what rules she has to follow.

And yet that is not what you are saying at all. If you were, then it would be completely unobjectionable.

What you are saying is that you are selfish, greedy, uncaring and you expect others to be loving, kind and affectionate towards you for not other reason then BRANDON.

Pecunium
12 years ago

Meller: We MRAs are sort of under siege here! On Spearhead, we argue with each other all of the time! On manboobz, it has to be “bros before ‘hos”!

It’s more that you hate women more than you value your movement being coherent, much less correct. You will notice that feminists call each other when they see what they think is bullshit.

It might be why feminism is doing better than the MRAs.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

“@Lauralot: I don’t want to be king of feminism. I would rather be king of the playboy bunnies…much better subjects.”

Right, I’m sure your turnaround from “feminism has valid ideas and I’ve adopted some of their philosophy” to “all feminists are man-hating dictator harpies” had nothing to do with us telling you that you don’t get to dictate what feminists should focus on.

theindigolemon
theindigolemon
12 years ago

@DKM

“We MRAs are sort of under siege here! On Spearhead, we argue with each other all of the time! On manboobz, it has to be “bros before ‘hos”!

Listen-any beseiged group will evolve some sort of solidarity arrangements to protect itself and its members. I don’t find you feminists too eager to criticize each other’s posts here either!”

This isn’t a serious site about contemporary feminist issues. It does not aspire to “pierce the shield of ignorance.” It mocks things that other people have said. That’s why it doesn’t spend much time criticizing feminists. It’s not because MRA’s are better or more right.

Rutee Katreya
12 years ago

You are both actively fighting for a world where the other one would be miserable.

We’re still talking about the MRM, right?

Listen-any beseiged group will evolve some sort of solidarity arrangements to protect itself and its members. I don’t find you feminists too eager to criticize each other’s posts here either!

Oh ye of little sight XD

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
12 years ago

KathleenB-November 28, 2011@ 3:39pm

Holy Smokes!

I made a tiny little mistake, confusing one poster here with another. I’ll even grant that it was a careless mistake, which could have been prevented had I read lauralot’s and brandon’s posts on this page more carefully.

Why are you acting as if I had just publically nominated you for Imperial Wizard of the KKK? There was NOTHING that I said or did here that was that terrible. ! I never even speculated about your possible female trouble or your cupcakes! Get hold of yourself.

If this is representative of your posts today, I think that you are going over the edge…

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

DKM is wrong about the lack of criticism for other feminist’s posts around here though.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

“If this is representative of your posts today, I think that you are going over the edge…”

This guy’s got to be a parody, right? There’s no way this statement was made without irony.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

Why are you acting as if I had just publically nominated you for Imperial Wizard of the KKK? There was NOTHING that I said or did here that was that terrible. ! I never even speculated about your possible female trouble or your cupcakes! Get hold of yourself.

Yet you managed to work the “female trouble” dig in there, didn’t you?

Why don’t you get hold of yourself and play with your dolls? Go have some you time, just wash up after.

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Meller: Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Meller: Touchy, aren’t we? Are you due for another xanax soon? It is your ‘time of the month’ or did your souffle collapse?

David K. Meller
David K. Meller
12 years ago

KathleenB, et al…

I wasn’t the person who posted the unbelievably hostile and angry post to any of you ref. 3:39pm! All of my posts were friendly, even to feminists!

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

“KathleenB, et al…

I wasn’t the person who posted the unbelievably hostile and angry post to any of you ref. 3:39pm! All of my posts were friendly, even to feminists!”

Yeah, no.

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Meller: You constantly tell me and other women that if we don’t shape up before the menfolk revolt against the gynocracy, we’ll push one over the edge and you really can’t blame a man for killing a feminist, she was asking for it! You tell us that the only thing we’re good for is sexual slavery. You think shit like that is friendly? Hells, I’d hate to see what you do when you’re being unfriendly!

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

“All of my posts were friendly, even to feminists!”

Are you on drugs? No, dude. Just… no.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

I’m not sure Meller grasps that saying something in a nice tone of voice doesn’t make your words nice!

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