Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.
In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.
You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.
Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”
According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:
Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.
Then came feminism:
Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …
The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.
This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.
Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:
[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.
According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)
Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration. There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about. The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife. They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.
In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:
When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:
1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.
2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.
3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).
4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.
5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.
6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.
Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:
Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.
The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:
i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute
in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)
this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …
no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded
Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!
NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.
Kathleen: Yeah. A friend of mine and my fiance’s is trying to get us to join SCA. If we do, the obsessive ones will just have to deal with my knitting, ’cause at least I can make heads and tails of it. The Naalbinding just looks…wrong…as I tried it. Like a knot that was going to try to eat me.
@Viscaria: I don’t see a difference. It is the same thinking and behavior…just with different objects.
@Katz: It’s called indifference, ignorance and apathy. People often fuck up on the simplest of tasks. Part of that is because we are human and bound to make mistakes and another part of it is because some people don’t give a shit.
The worst thing in the world isn’t hate…it’s apathy.
For what it’s worth, I grew up in an equally massive family, and virtually every marriage has been a roaring success, as was proudly on display at a recent gathering to celebrate a 75th birthday. Largely because they follow the principles that I follow myself, which is to treat said marriage as a mutually supportive partnership of genuine equals. And looking at the marriages of my grandparents (2), uncles/aunts (9), parents (1), siblings (3) and cousins (18), the success:failure ratio has been 29:4. And those are good odds.
And in the case of the four marriages that ended in divorce, in all cases it was because the husband thought his life would be more entertaining if he fucked someone else while his wife looked after their kids. Taking a leaf out of the David K. Meller marriage manual, in other words.
To be fair, if that’s the background you come from, I can see why you might be cynical about whether marriages work – but that’s why it’s so important to challenge convention, whether it’s swapping “traditional” gender roles, or being the first member of your family to go to university, or any number of similar achievements.
Yeah, Katz me too. 18 years. two kids, both taking turns on who makes more, spends more etc.
And Brandon, love acceptance and selflessness. Does that go for you too? You of the “I won’t pay for any of my partner’s expenses?” Cause you may not realize it, but you sound incredibly selfish.
When two people decide to live together, they are wise, yes, to make sure they identify their skills and such, monies from each party. But they also pool resources.
Brandon:
The irony, it burns.
Make that scorches.
Brandon: Marriage requires selflessness, acceptance and love. Something that I find extremely difficult to find in most women today.
This from the guy who says that if it’s not beneficial to him, then fuck the rest of the world.
Viscaria: Guinea Pigs are much more pleasant than hamsters, and they live longer.
I’ve kept both, go with the Cavies.
LOLwut? OK, Mr. Galt.
I’m married and happy. Oh, but wait, it’s DIFFERENT for the womenz, huh? I will say that the happiness doesn’t always come easy, you have to work at it, so I can see where you might shy away from anything resembling hard work.
‘Cause those are all male traits, no? Men have the monopoly on these traits? As we say around these parts, citation needed.
Depends on the ham. I’ve known some mean-ass hamsters, but I’ve also known some sweet ones. They always want less attention than rats and guineas, though. But yes, in general, guineas are nicer.
Hallmark make a card out of that deep thought.
Brandon: Marriage might not be right for you, but guess what? You don’t get to tell me or anyone else how to live our lives. So maybe you could stop telling those of who are happily married how awful our lives really are, eh?
The worst thing in the world isn’t hate…it’s apathy.
And how does that square with your assertion that your SO’s problems are not your fault and you won’t help deal with them, and that you’re only willing to pay exactly 50% of your children’s basic expenses and do nothing more for them?
Let’s not re-run the Brandon Thinks Married People Are Sad & Deluded episode.
Oh, please, Jules, you know the answer to that one. When someone like I’ll-throw-Ashley-out-on-her-ass-if-she-loses-her-job Brandon talks about “marriages today” lacking love, acceptance and selflessness, you know what he means. For him, an ideal marriage is one where the woman does all the loving and all the acceptance, while denying herself anything that does not strictly serve her husband and children. Whereas men … they just pay the bills; or they don’t, in which case the woman will exercise some more of that love, acceptance and selflessness to make the ends meet.
@Jules: I am actually not that selfish with a lot of things. I volunteer tons of my time to help other people. What I don’t like is the expectation that I should be forced to do something.
I will be generous, giving and loving on my own terms. Having someone else demand that I do those things is kind of defeating the purpose. It’s like having someone scream at you “LOVE ME!!!” like you can just instantaneously love them. It’s absurd.
I treat Ashley very well. But I will leave her if she starts thinking I owe her anything. I don’t take her for granted…I expect the same treatment in return.
Lauralot, November28, 2011 @2:40pm
“…A female attorney is doing a hard job that requires years of expertise. Any idiot can become a parent.”
There are far too many women in the legal profession anyway, both in trial law and the government!
Why should she be burdened with doing a job that is too difficult for her in the first place. Let her MARRY an attorney, set up housekeeping, and then the attorney and the idiot can mate, and she can become a parent.
HER words, not mine–DKM
DKM, what in the fucking hell are you on about now?
DKM: HER words, not mine–DKM
One, that’s not what was said (I begin to see why you misdunderstood a simple question like, “What do you think of Ron Paul”?), and two, who is “HER” in your comment.
He interpreted my quoting Brandon’s “idiot parents” thing as my actual words. Because he is stupid.
Lauralot: He thinks you Brandon, I think.
So, it basically boils down to two things:
(1) You will be generous, giving and loving on YOUR own terms, and women should be generous, giving and loving on YOUR terms. (Because you are a guy, and so you get to make the rules?)
(2) You have expectations of Ashley, but she’s not allowed to have any expectations of you. (Because you are guy, and so you get to make the rules?)
Lauralot: I know, but even at that he misinterpreted it. I was curious to see how he was going to bail himself out.
I think DKM just accidentally responded to Brandon. Which fills me with the urge to yell ‘cage fight!’ and lock ’em in together to see who wins.
Just a fantasy I guess…
“(2) You have expectations of Ashley, but she’s not allowed to have any expectations of you. (Because you are guy, and so you get to make the rules?)”
DING DING DING
no.