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Women oppress men by “playing” at having a career

Silly woman! You probably don't even know how to work that computer.

Well, here’s a new twist. We all know, from reading the endless tirades on the subject scattered all over the manosphere, that women are evil, selfish and ungrateful creatures whose primary goal in life is to leech off of men and make them miserable.

In a recent post titled Playing Career Woman, manosphere blogger Dalrock takes on some of the most evil and selfish ladies of the whole lot of them: upper middle class ladies who insist on going to college and getting jobs, then later leave the workforce to raise their children.

You might think that these ladies would deserve some props from traditional-minded manosphere dudes for supporting themselves instead of leeching off of men during their twenties, then settling into a more traditional housewifely role once they have children.

Oh, but you don’t realize just how evil and disruptive and oppressive their phony careers are to the men of the world. After all, these aren’t women who need to work to support themselves. No, according to Dalrock, these are “women who use their education and career as a way to check off the box to prove their feminist credentials before settling down into an entirely traditional role.”

According to Escoffier, a commenter on Dalrock’s site whom he quotes with approval, in the good old pre-feminist days:

Women who pursued careers (apart from traditional female roles such as teaching … ) were considered at best sort of harmlessly odd … but we know that family life is superior and more important.

Then came feminism:

Now it’s “You MUST do this for own sake, not to do it is to not realize your potential.” …

The way the [upper middle class] has “solved” this problem is to send girls to college, let them launch their careers–whether in soggy girly stuff like PR or crunchy stuff like business and law–and then they marry late (~30), have kids a few years later and drop out of working at least until the kids are grown.

This answers a couple of needs, not least the need for two incomes to accumulate assets so that the couple can eventually buy into a UMC school district.

Oh, but these women aren’t really earning money because they need it to, you know, pay bills and shit:

[T]he real importance of this solution is to her psyche. Getting the education and career are a way of telegraphing “I am a complete person, not some drone like June Cleaver. I am just as smart and capable as any man. In my altruistic concern for my children, I choose not to use my talent in the marketplace but to devote myself to them.” In other words, she needs that education and early career to mark her as better than a mere housewife, even though she will eventually choose to become a housewife.

According to Dalrock, such women are far more evil than the feminist women who get jobs and stick with them. (Emphasis added.)

Men and women who work hard to support themselves understand that they are in it for the duration.  There is a determined realism to them. … These aren’t the women we are talking about.  The women Escoffier described see having a career as a badge of status to be collected on their way to their ultimate goal of stay at home housewife.  They aren’t really career women, they are playing career woman much the way that Marie Antoinette played peasant and Zoolander’s character played coal miner.

In the comments, someone calling himself Carnivore explains just how unfair this all is to the poor innocent working men of the world:

When men get a degree or go through a vocational program and then land a job, they’ve normally got 40+ years to contribute to increasing the wealth of society. Women “playing” career damage society:

1. They displace men for positions in college or vocational school.

2. Upon landing a job, they displace other men for the job position.

3. The increase in the labor pool drives down wages (supply & demand).

4. While in the labor pool, women are less effective and less productive than men.

5. Because they are in the labor pool and cannot compete with men, women support labor laws to enforce “equality” which burden businesses and can cause men to get fired due to some infringement or just to meet quotas.

6. When they leave the labor pool after becoming bored, there is now a hole than can be difficult to fill because the men who would normally fill it have been displaced for all the reasons above.

Carnivore places part of the blame on the feminism-infected parents who taught these women the wrong things:

Women do NOT know what they want. They have to be guided. Most parents have so bought into feminism that they don’t see any other way. It’s a riot – or sad – talking to parents when they go into all the detail about choosing a college, going on campus visits, making sure she gets into the best school, etc., etc. You would think these parents would spend their time and energy on prepping their daughters for the most important life decision – choosing a man for marriage, how to make a husband happy and how to raise healthy children.

The commenter called Ray takes it one step further:

i was in the workplaces during feminism 1.0, and it had nothing to do with fairness, equity, egalitarianism, or any other positive attribute

in fact, it was a slaughter, resulting in the vast disenfranchisement and destruction of millions of american men — there were dozens of ways men could be hassled, RIFd, and forced from employment, and they were (all to chants of Equality and Empowerment)

this resulted in the massive unemployment of the very men needed to create, invent, and revitalize the culture. and to be fathers to sons . …

no female should be employed, or educated, if it means a qualified male must be excluded

Women, stop leeching off men by paying your own way!

 

NOTE: This post contains SARCASM.

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bekabot
bekabot
12 years ago

Henry Adams, patriarch extraordinarie, in Mont St. Michel & Chartres:

“A trait peculiar to this epoch is the close resemblance between the manners of men and women. The rule that such and such feelings or acts are permitted to one sex and forbidden to the other was not fairly settled. Men had the right to dissolve in tears, and women that of talking without prudery …. If we look at their intellectual level, the women appear distinctly superior. They are more serious; more subtle. With them we do not seem dealing with the rude state of civilization that their husbands belong to …. As a rule, the women seem to have the habit of weighing their acts; of not yielding to momentary impressions. While the sense of Christianity is more developed in them than in their husbands, on the other hand they show more perfidy and art in crime …. One might doubtless prove by a series of examples that the maternal influence when it predominated in the education of a son gave him a marked superiority over his contemporaries…Man’s business was to fight or hunt or feast or make love. The man was also the travelling partner in commerce, commonly absent from home for months together, while the woman carried on the business. The woman ruled the household and the workshop; cared for the economy; supplied the intelligence, and dictated the taste. Her ascendancy was secured by her alliance with the Church, into which she sent her most intelligent children; and a priest or clerk, for the most part, counted socially as a woman.”

Adams was writing about the high Middle Ages. His book deals principally with the era during which the great cathedrals of France were being built.

bekabot
bekabot
12 years ago

Sorry about the mis-spelling.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

@Hellkell: I don’t see “woman’s work” and “man’s work”. I see “easy work” and “hard work”. A female attorney is doing a hard job that requires years of expertise. Any idiot can become a parent.


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……WOW.

I’m just gonna leave that there.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Yes, Arks, the MRM has a beautiful diversity of misogyny. Let us never forget the beautiful tapestry of lady-hatred that makes up the melting pot of Internet lady-haters.

bekabot
bekabot
12 years ago

“Any idiot can become a parent.”

Any idiot can grunt out a kid, Brandon. It takes talent and dedication to become a parent.

Naira
Naira
12 years ago

@ Brandon:

Yep. Any idiot can BECOME a parent. Screwin’ is hardwired. But to BE a parent? As in, give a rats’ ass and raise the kid properly?

Uh no.

blitzgal
12 years ago

Of course, it couldn’t be that maybe the manosphere isn’t one big monolithic entity, but in fact a dynamic community consisting of different people who have different and sometimes conflicting beliefs, could it?

Now admit the same of feminists. Hell, admit the same of all women! So many of your ilk love to paint the entire gender with a broad brush.

Moewicus
Moewicus
12 years ago

Women assume that because they have a hamster spinning away that lets them rationalize their contradictory and hypocritical actions and beliefs, that men must too.

There it is again! The Woman’s Rationalization Hamster! Catch it!

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Bekabot: Strange, cause I am seeing more and more shitty parents. Are the good ones hiding?

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

All I see here is classic female narcissism, the inability for a woman to imagine the world beyond her own experience. Women assume that because they have a hamster spinning away that lets them rationalize their contradictory and hypocritical actions and beliefs, that men must too. But that’s not how life works for the get-shit-done gender.

Arks, what has my hamster ever done to you? You can insult me, but when you bring my hamster into it, you’ve gone too far.

katz
12 years ago

Ever notice how trolls never argue with each other, even when they’re in the same place defending polar opposite opinions?

Jules
Jules
12 years ago

Where are you looking Brandon? I see amazing parents and kids all over town in Austin. Also, I was raised by loving parents and happy relatives so go figure…marriage and long term commitment never seemed all that hard to fathom.

Sounds like you’ve had a life filled with disappointment, B. Or you see it around you wherever you look, in other people. Some of us see happiness, connection, trust and friendship. Happy silly kids, hard work yes, but worth it.

katz
12 years ago

I don’t think Arks can catch a rationalization hamster at full speed!

Pecunium
12 years ago

Brandon informed the masses: @Hellkell: I don’t see “woman’s work” and “man’s work”. I see “easy work” and “hard work”.

And, never having done it, he knows that one sort of work (that of stay at home parent, in this case) is easier. The testimony of those who have done it, not withstanding.

Pecunium
12 years ago

Meller: It is possible, isn’t it, that a lot of the women whom you cite in the middle ages who worked outside the home were extremely unusual specimens of womanhood for their time, and that their eccentricity, if not abnormality, was why they, and their activities, were recorded.

Not really, no.

Their work would be considered especially remarkable if it was done as well as it would be expected to be done by a man, wouldn’t it?

Not really, no.

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

And I wouldn’t marry a drug addict either.

…Swell? Is that supposed mean something about sluts? Because you’ll notice how I was talking about the difference between sluts and sex addicts…

KathleenB
KathleenB
12 years ago

Naira: I KNOW! There are people in the SCA who make amazingly beautiful things with it, but it just… everything knots up. My crochet may not be period (or not documentably period, there are scrpas of stuff that look like crochet, but there’s no record of the technique being used), but at least it only makes me want to bang my head into the wall once a week.

thebionicmommy
thebionicmommy
12 years ago

Katz, that hamster must have been dizzy after spinning so much! Zie was probably trying to rationalize too much for my lady brain.

katz
12 years ago

Brandon: If (according to you) parenting is easy, then why (according to you) is everyone bad at it?

Brandon
Brandon
12 years ago

@Jules: Actually, I had a pretty good upbringing. Much better than most. I however see marriage and happiness as mutually exclusive. I think most people today do not have the same values as previous generations. We are more selfish and have ridiculous expectations. These run counter to what makes a happy marriage. Marriage requires selflessness, acceptance and love. Something that I find extremely difficult to find in most women today.

Lauralot
Lauralot
12 years ago

Parenting is “easy work.” Let’s see Brandon take care of three kids under five, all with the stomach flu, in a house with a single bathroom, alone. Piece of cake, right?

Viscaria
Viscaria
12 years ago

@Katz, oh my gosh, look at little buddy go! I’ve heard hamsters can be assholes though. Guinea pigs are supposed to be way nicer.

Source: somebody I knew in high school who worked a summer in a pet store. I guess I should take it with a grain of salt.

katz
12 years ago

I however see marriage and happiness as mutually exclusive.

I am married. I am happy. Therefore, marriage and happiness are not mutually exclusive. Disproof by counterexample. QED.

hellkell
hellkell
12 years ago

@Lauralot: Yeah, let’s just leave that turd alone for all to see.

Holly Pervocracy
12 years ago

Not only is there a big difference in the quality of parents, but saying “any idiot can be a parent” is also a bit like saying “any idiot can shovel two tons of shit with a teaspoon.” Just because it doesn’t have a high barrier to entry doesn’t mean it’s easy.

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