Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Well, in recent memory, in my own social circle, I can think of only one guy who was labelled as creepy by most of the women. Funny thing…turns out that, upon talking to people who went to college with him, he had raped at least 2 women that we know of. One of my guy friends pulled him off of a girl who was passed out drunk in a cab, and another guy friend was only able to prevent him from stripping a passed-out female coworker and molesting her by pointing out that that sort of thing tends to open the door to corporate lawsuits. Notice that the people confirming his creepiness here were men, not evil bitchy feminist women who just victimise men for not being Brad Pitt.
He was very good looking, by the way, good looking enough to have modelled if he’d wanted to. Shame about the blank-eyed Kubrik stare, which was part of why people found him creepy in the first place.
>>why is NWO nicknamed Owly?
That sounds a lot like O RLY?, that owl macro that I guess comes to mind immediately whenever NWOSlave spouts one of his trademark ‘facts’.
Maybe that’s why? Not sure.”
I wondered about that too! Anybody on here know the probably awesome story?
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zhinxy: “So tell us, broseidon, what standards are we allowed to have for creepiness?”
You can have whatever standards you want, I won’t tell you how to behave. I’ll just point it out and laugh, something I believe you and the gang here have quite an appreciation for.”
Okay then. But in your opinion, is the OP “creepy?”
If not, why not?
By the way, just for the record, women can be creepy in a specifically sexual way too, it’s just less common. Working around the music biz and watching how some female fans act towards some of the bands…yep, pretty damn creepy. A friend once watched some of them circle one guy and described it as “it’s like they’re starving, and he’s a juicy steak, and they don’t realise that they’re being creepy, because they’re not thinking of the situation from the steak’s point of view”.
As a general rule, if you’re making someone else feel like steak, you’re being creepy and you should stop it.
99% of men whom are labeled creepy received it out of spite and malice? You live in a strange parallel universe to mine.
Here are some behaviors of people I’ve personally seen labeled creepy
-Covertly masturbating while staring at someone in a classroom setting
-Leaving suggestive notes on the hood of someones car
-Continual stalking despite being told not to (this went so far as a restraining order)
0% of these had anything to do with their looks. This is 99% less then the statistics provided.
I say you’re all child-abusing drunks. If you get angry or deny this, it just means that deep down you know it’s true. See how this works?
He was very good looking, by the way, good looking enough to have modelled if he’d wanted to. Shame about the blank-eyed Kubrik stare, which was part of why people found him creepy in the first place.”
-Yeah, see, broseidon, and I can get “that look” sometimes too, innocently, as an autistic. But the point is, there’s a reason we have “the gift of fear” – I may not be out to harm you, but how much blame do I put on you for wondering? And yes, if I get to have long interactions with people, they know me, and I can explain, and etc. I’m just “eccentric” or “she has aspergers… NO, no, really has it!” But somebody who just sees me act oddly on a bus? They don’t have to trust me or want to talk to me. And when you get to know somebody, and there seems to be somethign “off” about them, even after long, long exposure, well, that tends to be the much less innocent mistake creepy…
I again note that I’m the one who is supposed to have a problem realizing other people aren’t me and have their own feelings…
Actually, he’s not part of my circle of friends, but one more! Dude who drove past me when I was sitting at the bus stop, slowed down, took out a camera, started filming, and then turned around to keep filming once he’d passed me and he was waiting for the light to turn green again? Definitely creepy.
On noes, the wimminz, they are so spiteful and malicious. I’m sure he was filming a documentary and he’d just run out of photo release forms.
Also, dude who emailed me on a dating site, out of the blue, with a several thousand word description of how he we were going to become friends and then he was going to draw me and then as I grew to trust him I’d begin to let him draw me in more intimate circumstances? Yeah, he was creepy too.
Oh noes, how dare I label that poor artist who just wanted me to be his muse!
And then there was the 50-something guy who emailed my 24 year old friend on OK Cupid asking if he could have pictures of her boobs. He was also creepy. Or so she thought, that spiteful malicious bitch!
Shall I keep going or should I take a break so you can whine some more, Broseidon?
I just have to say it’s funny that every feminist space/blog I’ve seen has a million of these examples, yet in real life they are almost unheard-of, and when they do happen they draw as much anger and ire from men as they do from women (even more from men, often with a side of violence). Confirmation bias?
She treated your anecdata as anecdata. That you don’t understand this is hilarious, but not her fault XD
…Oh this is adorable. Run off and go play, muffin, adults are talking XD
See, I feel no need to do anything but shrug and go “whatever, dude” in response to your child-abusing drunk accusation, because it’s silly. So, again, why are you so defensive about men being called creepy?
This is what we call privilege. Please, keep demonstrating XD
Uh huh, and taht’s why you’re denying it; it makes you as angry as us!
…Oh this is adorable. Run off and go play, muffin, adults are talking XD
Oh, the irony.
It’s just above your grasp, I know XD
I just have to say it’s funny that every feminist space/blog I’ve seen has a million of these examples, yet in real life they are almost unheard-of,
Oh dear god in heaven, just go live as a woman for a while. This is the point. We have to deal with this sexual shit and you don’t. Dudes are so shocked whenthey realize this is the normal for pretty much everybody female they encounter, that here we go with the denial! NO! IMPOSSIBLE! WHO WOULD DO THAT! THAT’S INSANE! GUYS WOULD BEAT HIS ASS! I’D NEVER DO THAT!… It’s so not a part of your daily lives, that you guys don’t accept it happens. It’s so much a part of our daily lives, we basically shrug and accept it as normal unless it gets “really bad” – And it’s not feminist spaces. It’s everyday ordinary conversation with women, practically every woman I’ve ever known. Conservative women and liberal women and old women and young women and cis women and trans women and all women. We cant’ talk to you guys directly about it, because of how you react and explain it away to us. But feminist spaces give us a space to simply talk to each other like all women do, when you aren’t there. And not just feminist women. If the women in your lives don’t tell you how ordinary this is, it’s because you refuse to admit it’s ordinary. And because it is SO ordinary to us.
@ Zhinxy – Women on the autism spectrum are in a wierd position, huh? My best friend is Aspie, and honestly I think it contributes to her being targeted more often than most women.
Before Broseidon finds something new to whinge about – no, we are not saying that all autistic men are creepy. I used to work in tech – lots and lots of dudes who’re on the spectrum there, and most of them are not creepy, just a bit awkward.
I certainly have not. Most feminists can spot the creepsters like Brandon over there but the average woman needs a few minutes.
I must be a strangely talented person to be a child abusing drunk while being a childless teetotaler.
Cassandra: I’m not being defensive, it might seem that way because I’m trying to respond to 5 people at once.
This is what we have so far (it’s not the original point, but this is what it’s evolved, or devolved into): I say that a lot of guys are unfairly labeled as “creepy” by a lot of women, which is not as innocent as you might think because rumors and opinions tend to spread and damage people’s reputation and self-esteem.
You say that this isn’t true, and all creeps are labeled that way for a good reason, aka socially unacceptable behavior.
Based on personal knowledge and observation, I agree to disagree. You say that by doing this I’m defending being creepy.
Did I miss anything?
With Brandon it might take a while, but I’m guessing that Meller is pretty much obvious right away, even before he start telling people about the conversations he has with his dolls.
(The whole doll revelation is one of the most hilarious things I’ve seen in a long time. Really, Meller is the gift that keeps on giving.)
We sure are. I’ve heard from a lot of autistic women that they seem targeted more, but I don’t think I can say the same, maybe because of how I present *or maybe i put up with way more than I think I do!* – I note that I think I sometimes give off a “cold, very serious” vibe that can keep guys away – though on the other hand, my “neurotypical face” is often excessively smiley and gracious, so the “smile baby” guys are usually kept off, I think… Also, I think I zone out and miss a lot of the crap. 😉 Small favors!
“Before Broseidon finds something new to whinge about – no, we are not saying that all autistic men are creepy. I used to work in tech – lots and lots of dudes who’re on the spectrum there, and most of them are not creepy, just a bit awkward.”
And yes, exactly. Like I said, with aspies and auties and such, we usually seem creepy at first, but you realize we’re just awkward and weird… It’s the people that seem, just so very normal… but you still wonder, really wonder, that I think end up comprising the real “usually labeled creepy and isn’t that HORRIBLE… well it does turn out he did x and y but STILL, WOMEN!” and our initial “creepiness” or the genuinely prejudiced reactions of others are the reason that we get dragged into this.
The drugs are now putting me really to sleep I think. man, I was so smrt tonight. I rock go me!
“awkward and weird” in quotation marks. I meant that people usually get over being SCARED or “CREEPED” by us, because they realize we’re just different and mean no harm.. As opposed to, oh they seem so normal bu ther’es STILl somethign unsettling about x…
What basis do you have for assuming that the labelling is unfair? Since you’re a man, it’s unlikely that the men in question act creepily towards you. So basically you’re going “if I don’t see it happen, it must not be happening”, which is just silly.
Broseidon, the point of my comment is that these were behaviors I saw that did label these particular men as creepy. It did raise up ire from both “men and women.” However, that’s irrelevant. Frankly, it was hardly a gender issue and more of an acting stalker-ey and making the person in question feel uncomfortable issue. The only bias I can say I have in noticing this is that this happened to a very close friend of mine, and I could tell she was visibly frightened for her safety, creeped out if you will. If it was a female doing these behaviors, I guarantee it would have elicited the same response.
(The whole doll revelation is one of the most hilarious things I’ve seen in a long time. Really, Meller is the gift that keeps on giving.)
Meller at a Doll Convention is just a David Lynch masterpiece ready to happen if somebody just films it live on their ipod or something.