Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
“Misogyny: I ignore it because it’s no big deal really and who cares.”
Coincidentally, the same author actually did write a book about the lives of female sex slaves in the Holocaust, similarly pornographic and lurid, and similarly fake: he claimed to have based on the story of his sister’s life, for instance, but he didn’t have a sister. Far from being praised as an example of how Men=Bad, Women=Good, this book is infamous as an example of historical falsehood and it is not taught as history.
And you haven’t responded about how as soon as there are gays to bash, the Holocaust is COMPLETELY OK in terms of factual correctness for you.
@Holly: I fail to see what these men are doing, is somehow harmful to women…especially since they are taking the “avoid women” route.
So what we have here is a bunch of men, that for whatever reasons (real or perceived) have regretted having women in their life and are taking pro-active steps to prevent feeling regret again.
Their choices aren’t 1) harming me 2) harming you 3) harming society 4) is legal…so what is the big deal?
MRAL: *shrug* I don’t talk about things to sound smart. I talk about things because they interest me and because I still have not grasped the concept that other people can be bored by things I find fascinating.
SMALL CORRECTION: It’s on the high school curriculum in Israel, but I have no idea why. If there are any Israelis in this thread, what the hell, people?
MRAL, and “we” all know this how? Ozy seems intelligent enough.
Mocking them isn’t 1, 2, 3, or 4 either.
What’s your big deal?
Well, feminism is just like the KKK and the Nazis, but targets men. So there’s that.
@Moe: See…you’re learning!
You do realize, Brandon, that people interact with each other every day without the intent to fuck each other? In stores, on the street, in classrooms, at work, so much interaction, so little fucking of everyone in sight…
Sorry to not actually flounce when I said I would but one last comment if you’ll permit me.
Good grid, no need to apologize. It’s not as though anybody actually *believed* you would flounce, or that you would limit yourself to ‘one last comment’ after not sticking the flounce. Hell, if I had a buck for every time Brandon’s pretended to stalk off or get the last word in, I could pay Futrelle’s hosting fees until the sun cooled.
But yes, it is hilarious how homophobic MRAs are – I can think of one pretty moderate men’s rights activist who is pro-LGBT rights and he regularly gets shit about it. You’d think the obvious solution would be for them to start having relationships only with each other (no child support! no baby-mamas! no icky vaginas! and everybody knows men give the best blowjobs!).
@darksidecat: I realize it very well. There are tons of groups I interact with that I have no desire to fuck.
Whether I’m intelligent depends rather on how you’re measuring intelligence. I’m bad at numbers but good with logic. I can’t tell what other people are feeling or avoid accidentally insulting people but I’m pretty good at managing my own emotions. I have no street smarts or common sense but I have an extensive vocabulary. I can recall quotes from books I last read six years ago well enough to Google up the actual quote, but I can’t remember where I left my wallet. Smart or dumb or both? I say, like most people, I’m both in different situations.
Actually, having learned that, I am stupider than I was before. I am thus anti-learning.
If you keep un-learning things at that rate maybe some day you will be as ignorant as Brandon is. Admittedly it’s going to take a while, but be patient and some day you too will achieve the summit of selfish dumbassery that Brandon has long since reached.
NWO said@9:10pm
“Well I see the discussion, or lack there of, has turned into the standard feminist response. Insults, denial of facts, idiocy and mockery. Which means it’s time to say, das vi danya.”
So you’ve been clearly shown to be completely wrong and you’re going down the garden to eat worms?
Silly rabbit.
NWOslave
You are not sexually attracted to men and you hate women.
It seems that you are in a bind much the same as your mgtow peers.
On one hand you have to attack gay men because you’re not one of them (right?) but you also have to make your repulsion of women known on a daily basis.
It’s really quite the kettle of fish (so to speak) you’ve gotten yourself in isn’t it? I just really don’t see a way out for you.
Is there actually a way for you to live in society? I really doubt it.
The rest of the world gets by, has friends, relationships, but you can’t. I would guess that the entire mra/mgtow population is at best ten thousand. You certainly have my permission to start your own country or town, but you seem to lack the organizational skills to do so.
I’d like to help but I just don’t see how when you won’t help yourselves.
NWO: You need to use the Spanish Alphabet, до свидания.
But, since you brought Russia into the picture, “Citizen X” was a Russian mass murderer. He was straight. Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo killed something in the neighborhood of 50-60 young people.
I think I’m missing something. What’s offensive about
“cissy”“cisgendered”?MRAL:
Did you suddenly notice you had accidentally said something reasonable and had to make up for it?
Pterygotus: iirc, most of the “gayness” they encouraged was pedophilia.
You recall incorrectly. Plato encouraged it, and his writings have shaped a lot of how we see Greek Culture, esp. as he, and Aristotle, were the major sources of Renaissance understandings of the workings of Ancient Greece.
Greek (and Roman) views of sexuality were complex, but pedophilia was frowned on.
A man can dream, Cassandra. A man can dream.
(less serial killers, more kitties?)
@ Hershele
There’s nothing actually offensive about “cis” or “cisgender”– the point is that a lot of discussions on the internet about transgender topics get derailed by cis people who are offended at their gender/sex being put on a par with a trans person’s. They’re upset that trans people dare label them, because they’re “normal” and they don’t need a label, duh!!! Some people misunderstand the point of using “cis” and think that if trans people complain about discrimination or whatever that they’re putting down people who aren’t trans and that “cis” is a secret trans slur or something. But in any case, the conversation goes off track because then cisgendered people will argue that “if trans people get to tell me to stop saying tranny/shemale/(insert other slur here) then I get to tell them to stop using cis!!!”.
I have seen a number of conversations totally explode on mainstream gay websites due to this issue, and it’s always extremely disheartening to see it happen. Especially since the whole transgender/cisgender thing parallels the usage of “homosexual”/ “heterosexual”. But one thing that you will unfortunately learn if you spend any time in the queer community (I have no idea if you do or not, forgive me if you already do know) is that just because it’s usually called “LGBT” it doesn’t mean that a “G” will understand a “T”, or an “L” will understand a “B”, or a “T” will understand an “L”. Gay people aren’t immune from transphobia and trans people aren’t immune from homophobia. Arguments tend to get really nasty because often queers of one experience will assume they are automatically qualified to talk about others’ experiences, or that they’re automatically allies no matter what they say. (See Dan Savage for example and some of the things he’s said about women, bisexuals, and trans people.) I think that’s why I’ve almost always seen the STOP CALLING ME CIS thing on gay sites– gay or bisexual people are the only people who are exposed enough to trans people to have an opinion about trans dialogue issues but are also potentially transphobic enough to object strongly about basic terminology.
I have to admit though, as far as I’ve seen it’s mostly gay white men who get angry about being called “cis” (so it really does seem to be a privilege issue) and the occasional throwback “feminist” anti-trans white lesbian. For some reason, as far as I can gather, the bisexual/pansexual community has been historically more accepting of trans people. (This doesn’t mean that Bs are immune to transphobia though– I’ve met an occasional clueless bi person.)
Inb4 the inevitable “I don’t think this guy has to worry because no woman would ever want his ugly creepy ass anyway, amirite guys??? lololol” comments from the usual suspects.
Spot on, Broseidon.