Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
a lot of women have no problems acknowledging this fact though.. They even joke about it when they say “men have no standards…they will fuck anything on two legs/any thing that moves/ anything with a pulse”
interestingly, men will fuck anything that moves but are also considered more shallow on looks! Men are actually very forgiving to women on their looks.
howardbann1ster
when they find 80% of men physically undesirable they have to message someone if they dont want to be alone for the rest of their lives. What I want you to appreciate is that this is a huge disadvantage to men when it comes to attracting the opposite sex. Sure it isnt evident in long term relationships as men have the opportunity to bring other qualities to the table but in short term sexual relationships, looks are the top priority.
Regardless of your own proclivities, Bannister, I’m not talking about you specifically; rather, feminists in general, of which you apparently are one. I wasn’t aware you were a man until now.
Full version of the abstract I just posted.
Now I gotta go engage in various activities that make up my life outside the internet. Sadly, they will not bring me as much joy as swearing vigorously at Steele brought me. So I’ll definitely be back tomorrow to swear some more.
….Because Howard is such a gender-neutral name.
….oh, PS: that study I linked? Includes this.
Fun fact! This study was published after that Buss and Schmitt theory was thoroughly discredited, but they cite it anyway! Gee, I wonder why?
@Howard, That’s gotta be it. Study based on 178 Arizona State University undergraduates enrolled in intro psych — because, hey, that’s what was at hand. Probably Kenrick had his own class take the survey for extra credit, because as we all know, the responses of 178 college-age USians indicate UNIVERSAL HUMAN EXPERIENCE.
Bannister
Take your male and female friends to a college campus (a place where young people gather) Ask them to look at 100 random people (they have to be representative of the population) of the opp sex and simply rate whether they were physically/sexually acceptable or not. I am willing to bet the percentage will be much much higher for your male friends than female ones. It can either mean that nature creates fewer physically appealing men than women OR that women just instinctively find fewer men physically appealing.
Even women on this forum will agree that its rare that they come across a physically desirable guy in their everyday lives. Men on the other hand are too busy checking out boobs and butts of average looking women.
We men find bodies of women instinctively attractive..even if they belong to average looking women. The sight of womens breasts, butts, legs, genitalia is visually appealing to us even if they dont belong to someone out of a magazine. But the naked bodies of the average male does little for women, unless the body is something special. It is a big disadvantage to men in the sexual attraction game. that is why we see more ‘losers’ among men because they dont ‘know’ how to be sexually attractive to women. Women dont have to ‘know’..they just are attractive to men.
you are unreasonably accusing me of not empathizing with women. But can you empathize with the male perspective, being a male? This isnt about right or wrong.
Oh, and now it’s the Appeal to YouTube. Sigh. So what’s your point? Assuming everything you say is true (hint: it’s not), why is it important? Why should anyone care? Is it a problem? If it is a problem, what is your proposed solution? Give us SOMETHING, here.
Indeed, indeed Tim….
Well, sure — there are women on this forum who aren’t sexually attracted to men (lesbians: have you heard of them?) or are asexual. But other than that, this is just wrong, fractally wrong.
Cloudiah
It is a problem to those who are affected. There is no obligation on women to change anything. Whenever this issue is discussed it seems as if the objective is to make women ‘accept’ men. That shouldnt be the case.
All I ask for is that this fact should be acknowledged, more scientific thought should be put into understanding it and finally it should be understood that this is a major reason why there is a demand for paid sex. As far as I remember this thread was about men hiring sex workers.
*delurking for a bit ‘o snark*
I’m so sorry Tim! I didn’t realize being attracted to dudes with beards and big bellies meant I was not being a proper woman. How dare me and my girlfriends point out these men are HOT.
Does this mean I should make my boyfriend wear a shirtless Brad Pitt poster when we fuck? Apparently that is how I’m supposed to get my ladyboner raging….?
*back to delurking*
*lurking
Christ.
And yet you don’t even take the time to read the scientific paper that @howardbann1ster has so helpfully provided …..
Which supposed “fact” do you think deserves scientific study?
The fact that its more difficult for men to obtain casual sex, which is the major reason why there is a demand for casual sex.
Why is it more difficult for men to obtain casual sex?
bcos fewer women are willing to engage in it due to risks of being raped for one.
AND women are sexually more selective..they generally find fewer men physically appealing.
Correction: “demand for PAID sex”
Right. Men who aren’t having sex, complaining about not having sex, proves that 80% of women are only partnering with 20% of men. Of course.
Tim: Once again: actual, verifiable, repeatable, peer-reviewed and published citation really, really fucking needed. And no, I’m no doing your fucking work for you. You made the claim,back it up your own damn self.
YUPIPL.
Why are YUPIPL so hostile
YUPIPL are so reluctant to talk about this
When did any women on this forum say this? I’m a woman and I run across men that I find physically desirable on a fairly regular basis.
Why does it matter? Define what you mean by “casual sex” and then it explain why it matters that some men can’t have it. Then tell me why anyone should care.
Returning to a truly important question worthy of scientific study, did anyone even watch the puggle video? I am mad that it didn’t embed, because it is seriously adorable.
The only straight woman I’ve seen say the opposite here is Ruby.
Fuckin’ incels. The only thing worse is watching Steele cozy up to these buttnuggets.
Tim, this really isn’t the place for your woes.
@ Hellkell, yeah, but did you notice that the incel guy just ignored him? Two conclusions:
One: even fellow manosphere dudes find Steele offputting.
Two: If Tim can’t tell when someone is trying that hard to get his attention, maybe that explains his dating difficulties.