Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
This whole thing about men not being sexy just makes me sad. They are, honest! It’s just none of them can wrap their minds around the idea. 🙁
I know! I actually feel really bad for guys who are so committed to the idea that the male body is inherently unsexy. Speaking as someone who’s lived with major body image issues her whole life, feeling inherently unsexy is pretty much the opposite of fun. I wish more guys were able to look in the mirror and think, “Damn, lookin’ FINE today!”
Here are some conservative talking points about oxytocin.
“This whole thing about men not being sexy just makes me sad. They are, honest! It’s just none of them can wrap their minds around the idea. ”
I know. It’s AWFUL.
(Figleaf, the blogger at realadultsex.com has some beautiful posts on this problem. Many are accessible under his “no-sex class” tag. )
I’ll tell you why I’m not with my first boyfriend, you flaming jackass from hell–it’s because I was 15 and wouldn’t have sex with him, so he broke up with me. Does THAT fit your nifty worldview, you ignorant fuckface?
People change, things happen. Except for you, Unfrozen Caveman Misogynist.
Ozy: That outfit sounds amazing. Got any pics (if it’s not creepy to ask)?
I once had this legit interaction with Deep End:
Me: You’re really pretty…
Deep End: No, not really.
Me, all schmoopy: No, you’re really, really pretty…
Deep End: ___ over there is prettier…
Me: WHY ARE YOU MAKING IT SO HARD FOR ME TO COMPLIMENT YOU?!
I’m not with my first boyfriend because I fucked up and dumped him for no reason. And you know what? That’s okay too. People make mistakes and that doesn’t mean they’re bad or broken or anything… just that they’re human.
katz: Unfortunately, no pictures have been taken of that outfit. 🙁
My sexiest outfits involve complete body coverage from head to toe.
You’re into zentai? >XD
Suppose I were to get back together with my first boyfriend – Would that be better than getting an entirely new one and adding to the number?
And with that, NOW confirms that not only should he not be around women or other humans, but he should not be around dogs either.
On another note, tight jeans for men seem to be “in” where I am. Granted I am a law student so a disproportionate amount of people I encounter are university students, but some of those guys wear some damned tight pants.
Look at those tight jeans the lead singer wears. The filthy little slut. Oh, wait, he’s wearing a belt, it’s all okay. XD
*NWO, not NOW
Xanthe: 😛 All right, then. My sexiest outfits involve covering all of my body except my head, hands and feet. 🙂
“On another note, tight jeans for men seem to be “in” where I am. Granted I am a law student so a disproportionate amount of people I encounter are university students, but some of those guys wear some damned tight pants.”
DSC, it *doesn’t matter* what a man wears because straight women are incapable of experiencing lust. The only people noticing the tight pants on campus will be gay men, and they don’t count!
Judging by this, obviously what Owly wants from women is unconditional love in the face of inhuman, degrading punishment being capriciously meted out to them. Owly, are you a sociopath?
DSC, “some of those guys wear some damned tight pants.” I’m not that much into jeans, but give me a guy wearing a tight pinstripe (à la David Tennant) to bring out the verticality, and I would be putty in his hands…
NWO: You think women don’t have the ability to not devolve down to an animalistic state? How very misogynist of you!
Ignoring the misuse of the word, “devolve”, tell me what women should be wearing, so as to avoid men being driven out of their minds with lust.
Also, is it shameful that men rape women?
RocketFrog: Some religious celibates talk about “sublimation”, and how repressing sexual urges combined with some creative outlet can work various wonders – but in reality, it seems that this form of sexual repression usually just leads to tragedy and abuse
Assumes facts not in evidence.
One can’t know what the cause of the various scandals (and they are not limited to clergy, or [even in the clergy] celibates) is, only that because of politics they were covered up, which made it possible for them to more easily continue.
NWO: Why is it that every culture everywhere thru-out history has a womans virginity as something of value?
Since this isn’t true (see Polynesia, and highland New Guinea), you are, by proof of counterexample, wrong (again).
NWO: What can you possibly say, “I love you. I never leave you. You’re the only one.” Ya said that to all the rest as well. It didn’t mean shit then.
I’ve never said anyone was the only one. I’ve also never said I’d never leave. Oddly, none of my lovers has said this to me.
On the other hand, I’ve never broken the rules of my relationships,and (to the best of my knowledge) neither have the women I was seeing.
That, my dear boy, is what I call loyalty: living up to the agreements one makes with other people.
@nwo slave
Hey,
I am 24, and still with my high school sweetheart. We’ve been poly, we’ve been in an open relationship, we have always been loving partners.
The other partners that we had have been significant experiences for us, and we remain friends with many of them. Right now we are exclusive, but this is not necessarily a permanent (or very rigid) condition.
We have been through a lot together, and we have changed together. I don’t think I would be able to love him right now if he had not had the other experiences with other people. About me, if I had not met my other partners, I doubt that I would have become the person I am now and that he loves.
I do not want to use my personal case to say “There! See, in my case it worked, therefore it must work for everybody!”, but I guess it’s common sense to think that the ideal relationship for most people is far more than the simplistic “meeting a person-staying faithful for your whole life”.
Since this isn’t true (see Polynesia, and highland New Guinea), you are, by proof of counterexample, wrong (again).
There’s also the Mosuo of China, the Samoans (Derek Freeman had issues), the MButi, the !Kung, and most other hunter-gatherer groups. Really, the list of those not placing much value on every girl’s virginity is probably longer than the list of those who do.
re men and hotness: I am straight. I can appreciate a male form which is well put together. I can also say, some days, “Damn… I look GOOOOD!” Most of the time I marvel that women find me attractive, because I am of an atypical body type (one that is, for men, seen as less than ideal), so I hate the way I look on film and in still photos.
I dunno, Pecunium, appreciating yourself is pretty gay.
/joking, of course
Well… I’ve been known to “appreciate” myself, and I’m a man, so; according to NWO, I am a gay (which comes, you may be sure, a great surprise to my female partners).
well there is a reason to not wait until marriage.
PfkaE, thanks for the link! I really liked this exchange of comments between laurel and the Lady of Shalott:
laurel: … Give it up, sex-shamers. We’re mammals. We were designed for snuggling.
TLoS: Awww! “Designed for snuggling” sounds so much better than “designed for raunchy fucking.”
laurel: Nothing wrong with a little (or a lot of) raunchy fucking! We mammals were made for it. …