Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Just approved several comments from a new commenter called piny; they show up on the previous page of comments, so I’m just going to repost them here so they won’t be missed:
@Pecunium
“Sauce for the goose. There are men who rape, and all the rest of them haven’t been able to stop it. They rape women who wear modest clothing, and they rape old women, and they rape children.”
Since virtually all women wear as little as possible and all women support the right of women to wear as little as they wish, all women have devolved down to their base animal state. No woman has sexual control. Only a very miniscule percentage of men rape, the vast, vast, majority of men do have sexual control.
Also, since by modern day standards, only men can rape, women can and do sodomize with objects. When women do sexually assault, it’s a much lesser charge of sexual misconduct.
Here’s a woman who did rape.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/brooklyn-teacher-claudia-tillery-charged-raping-boy-article-1.981660
Who want’s to take wagers on the excuse she’ll use in our feminist court?
1) Bi-polar defense.
2) She was abused, (on her word) defense.
3) Low self esteem defense
4) PMS
5) Charge is reduced to the lesser, sexual misconduct, time served.
Get your votes in know folks!
Two more from piny:
Incidentally, this is a tangential point, but NWO, I’m curious what you see as “painted-on” jeans. Could you show us a picture of a typical pair of jeans that you would consider “painted-on” and therefore a definitive sign that the wearer is “begging for sexual attention”?
Because the thing is, I’ll tell you right now, I frequently wear jeans that are stretchy and therefore pretty snug around my hips and buttocks. The reason I do that is not because the jeans in question are particularly sexy (they’re not; my favorite pair in particular is old, ratty, and has large brownish stains on them from working in the darkroom), but simply because, as someone with an hourglass-shaped figure (like most women, to at least some degree), jeans that are NOT stretchy and snug around my butt tend to literally fall off me, because jeans that are loose in the butt will necessarily also be loose in all the areas other than my butt, which leaves nothing to hold them up. So I’m curious – are all stretchy jeans “painted-on,” or is it just certain kinds? And if the former, would it be less “slutty” if women’s pants were falling off them everywhere they went?
Also, still waiting to hear how I’m disloyal!
NWO, unless that blog stated “anyone and everyone is invited to hit on me any time in any situation!”, it’s completely irrelevant.
If someone keeps a food blog, does that mean you have permission to corner them and threaten to stuff food in their throat until they choke? Do you understand how completely irrelevant “but she said she liked food!” would be as a defense in that situation?
Polliwog – I wear men’s jeans. If they’re painted-on slut wear, then clearly men of my general size and shape are wearing painted-on slut wear. I mean, it’s literally the same clothing item.
Holly, best response ever.
@NWO
“Also, since by modern day standards, only men can rape, women can and do sodomize with objects. When women do sexually assault, it’s a much lesser charge of sexual misconduct.”
Umm actually I remember a post on Feministe about the reclassification of sexual assault with an object as rape.
http://www.feministe.us/blog/archives/2011/10/23/fbi-redefines-rape-to-mean-like-rape/
So if you support that then, well you’re supporting feminist goals. Good job.
@Holly Pervocracy
A girl who keeps a smut blog, or is a slut has no moral or ethical high ground on being insulted. Look at the shit you write, Holly. All the sudden out on the streets someone says, “hey bitch ya wanna fuck,” and your insulted?
What are you, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde? You go from Fuckity-Fuck-Fuck, Poly-Holly to virgin ears polly-purebread. If you wanna talk, act or be a slut expect to be treated like it. Ya don’t get to go all puritan amish when you feel slighted. Todays modern women act like animals in heat, that’s what you get treated like. Had women been act respectably for the last 40 years they’d be treated with respect. Respect is earned, not the default for being a woman.
NWO – I like to have sex with some people and not others. Is it really that complicated?
I like to have sex, and not to be harassed or assaulted. These are different things, so again: not complicated.
How do you treat animals in heat? Because I leave them the hell alone. I don’t want to fuck an animal and I have no reason to bother it. Complicated?
@Caraz
That’d be sodomizing with an object, it doesn’t need a reclassification.
Polliwog – I wear men’s jeans. If they’re painted-on slut wear, then clearly men of my general size and shape are wearing painted-on slut wear. I mean, it’s literally the same clothing item.
Yup. Sadly, I suspect that in NWO’s head, they magically become “un-slutty” on a man because he doesn’t get turned on by looking at men, and everyone’s sexuality is defined entirely by his penis.
I could be wrong, though! Maybe NWO lives in a tiny tropical commune owned by Hugh Hefner or something where “virtually all” the women routinely walk around in string bikinis, while all the men remain fully clothed, and we’re all just being super-unfair when we point out that in the non-Playboy-based universe, women mostly wear normal, everyday clothes, much like men do.
(Also, I’m jealous – men’s jeans are so much easier to shop for than women’s. I already mostly wear men’s shirts, and I’ve wished for years I could switch over to men’s jeans as well, but every time I’ve tried on a pair that will fit over my tush, I have the “they literally fall down and I trip over them” problem I described above. Stupid big butt. *grumbles at butt*)
@Polliwog
Men wear an invention called a belt. It keeps jeans from falling down while leaving the fabric loose and comfortable.
I don’t care how sexually free spirited someone is, NWO. It’s none of my business. Why do you care so much? Also, what do you mean by “expect to be treated like it”? That sounds a lot like victim blaming to me.
@Holly Pervocracy
Have you ever been followed around for months and months by the same person hurling insults at you? If not, you’ve never been harrassed.
@NWO
It’s rape. It is apparently (now) classified as rape. At the same level of seriousness as the rape of women you seek to defend with your usual victim blaming.
But…in theory this should be one less thing for you to complain about and you should have found some common ground with feminists. All is well, except you aren’t going to accept that are you?
Is NWO’s definition of harassment in the Big Book yet?
NWO, have you ever been harassed? If not, shut up.
That’s ridiculous. That goes against the dictionary, the law, and any usage of the word I’ve heard from anyone else. If you’re going to make words mean whatever you want, you might as well say that harassment consists exclusively of hitting people with bananas.
I’ve had people grope me, threaten me, threaten to give away my personal information online, make me watch porn when I didn’t want or expect it, yell at me that they wanted a blowjob, send unsolicited emails about doing painful and disgusting things to my body, talk in front of me about how much they’d pay to have sex with me, and corner me while talking about my body. If none of these things are harassment… well, I do have to admit, there were no bananas.
@thebionicmommy
If a girl is walking around in a teeny tiny mini skirt and half the men/boys say, “nice legs, nice ass, you wanna fuck,” or whatever. She’s not being harrassed.
She has no sexual control. She is simply devolving down to an animalistic state. The reaction of the men is proportional to her actions. She is trying to elicit a sexual response from any man who sees her.
Oh! I wear a belt!
I guess I’m not a slut now!
YAYYYY!
That’s ridiculous. The men are the ones doing something aggressive directly to another person. All she did was get dressed.
But say she’s not in a teeny tiny miniskirt (and no panties, and transparent top). Say she’s in men’s jeans. With a belt!
Is she still psychically forcing those poor innocent men to harass her against their will?
Also: if some men harass her and some don’t, what’s the difference between those men? Could they have made different choices? Or did her skirt just magically get less slutty for the non-harassing men?
hellkell: It is now.
Thanks, Katz.
NWO, can strippers in your world be harassed?
It’s misandric to say that men are unable to see a woman in a short skirt without harassing her. I have a higher opinion of men, and know that most men can appreciate a woman’s beauty without yelling something crude. The men that catcall and harass women just use the way women dress as an excuse for their own refusal to act respectful.
It’s also not true that all women dress to elicit responses from men. Some women do, but not all. Many women wear clothes that they like just for themselves. Some dress to impress other women, to stand out in a crowd, to blend in a crowd, or just to impress their own romantic partner.
@Polliwog
Men wear an invention called a belt. It keeps jeans from falling down while leaving the fabric loose and comfortable.
Lots of men actually don’t, in point of fact. Are they slutty? Heck, I’ve personally witnessed my boyfriend (who finds belts uncomfortable) bending over far enough that his jeans slip down and expose the top of his buttocks – is he a dirty slut who’s trying to inflame women with lust, or just a dude that didn’t notice that his shirt had ridden up a bit? (I’ve witnessed my nearly 300-pound, 60-year-old, monogamously-married-for-40-years father doing this, too. Is he a big ol’ slut, NWO? Can I tell my dad that you think he’s slutty?)
But even if we accept belts as the all-powerful key to non-sluttiness, I think you are slightly underestimating the difference between my (and many other women’s) waists and hips. It’s true – I COULD get men’s jeans and wear a belt. I would look profoundly ridiculous and be pretty uncomfortable insofar as the belt would have to pull in the waistline so much that it would fold in on itself repeatedly, leaving me wearing jeans with giant pleats sticking out, and look (accurately) like I was playing dress-up in clothes made for someone much larger than me. But even if you think that’s what I should do, is it actually impossible for you to conceive of the idea that I choose not to because that would be uncomfortable and make me look ridiculous, rather than because my ratty, old, developer-stained women’s jeans are the best thing I could come up with to inflame men with lust?
On the bright side, guys, NWO has finally told us what women should wear: belts! This is progress, sort of!