Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Go ride a unicorn, because they are clearly in a fictional parallel universe.
99% of the guys who’ve harassed me suffered absolutely no consequences for it and the other 1% got some administrative version of “tsk tsk and now let’s not do that again.” The guy at work who asked me to watch his “art project” and then started playing hardcore porn while breathing heavy on my shoulder? Came right back to work the next day. The guy who followed me home driving slowly by the curb? He didn’t go to jail. The guy who emailed me last night demanding in all-caps to be allowed to stick his fist up my vagina? He’s not getting in trouble!
It’s almost always impossible to get a guy in trouble for “borderline” harassment. It’s not all that common for the “real” kind either. If there’s an epidemic of men being severely punished for minor infractions, shit, it sure doesn’t seem to have had much visible effect.
“I was bragging about trolling? whuh? silly hecklers.”
It was very clearly explained in the elevator example that it was a crowded but not full to the point of everyone touching elevator, yet one person was touching the other even though there was no need to do so.
And yet, that is not a problem to you.
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I would say you could have a point about it not being upsetting for some if you were not at the same time saying “because it does not upset some, your feelings are wrong.” And for the most part you are saying “because it does not bother me it should not bother you.”
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Also the claim regarding the overreaction of some people to things they have experienced?
If the response to a hello was to punch the guy in the face-that is an overreaction.
To find someone’s harassing behavior upsetting is not.
Oh, wait, did I confuse Broseidon with Whatever? If so, sorry.
But it isn’t heckling to say that you’re refusing to listen when you are, in fact, refusing to listen.
Brosedion: Pro-tip. When pointing out that someone writing an essay response is their tactic for diminishing your arguments, you must still engage with the content. Otherwise it’s an excuse on your part to avoid answering. This diminishes whatever weak validity you may have.
But if you want only short form answers as to why your position is faulty, I can do that.
Fails to operationalize terms
Has a poor hierarchy of what is considered valid information
Confirmation Bias
Goalpost shifting
Did you want evidence of such things? Go back and read what others have said. Right now I am just doing what you are doing, making statements with no additional information.
CassandraSays–November28 2011@2:15am
They are plushy pillows–go for the cute every time! Pandas aren’t quite pretty kitties, honey bunnies, or even luvable teddybears, but they are cute all the same!
CassandraSays–November 28, 2011@2:15am
Go for the Panda–cute wins every time! Pandas are not, as a rule, as cute as e.g. Pretty kitties, luvable bunnies, Playful puppies, or even real teddybears, but, especially as plush pillows, it would probably be adorable.
Enjoy!
Meller, that was quite friendly. Are you having a particularly good day, or do plushy pillows just bring out the best in you? I say this while my kitten is sleeping on a cute ladybug plushy pillow.
See, NWO, you could learn a few things from your fellow three-letter buddy, DKM. He likes pandas and kitties and bunnies and puppies and teddy bears and plush pillows! I may rest assured that DKM is, in fact, occasionally happy.
Soon you may advance to MRAL levels of “having a hobby and everything.”
CassandraSays and Ozymandias 42–
posts that show women being soft and feminine bring out the best in me! Of course, talking about adorables doesn’t hurt!
Your kitten has good taste with the ladybug plushypillow-(they sometimes do)!
Bro:
You’re right, it doesn’t make a difference. You are asserting that something happens less often than the people it happens to say it happens. Do you understand why I think they would know better than you what’s happening to them?
I have no trouble believing that an MRA who says his ex-wives were money-grubbing gold-diggers is accurately reporting his subjective experience; doubt only sets in when he generalizes to all women. However, given what a rape accusation entails, yes, I do doubt that people are accusing people of rape just for the lulz. Street harassment and gold digging are much more low-impact for the people engaging in them and I’m consequently more prepared to accept that people engage in them lightly. I’ve seen no evidence for and some evidence against the proposition that courts and the justice system are “pro-feminist” relative to society at large.
Bro:
That’s wrong, or at least very, very imprecise. There’s a broad range of activities that it should be obvious the person on the receiving end will find creepy/harassing. Everything Demios described, for example.
It’s also tangential. Even if it were true that “if you think someone’s creepy, it’s all in your head,” wht do you think explaining this to people will accomplish.
That’s probably sometimes true, though the perception is almost certainly born of experience.
Bro:
I have an alternate hypothesis to explain why you’ve never been harassed as a woman.
Samuel:
I hate that version. I’ve heard the Joey Ramone version so often that Louie now sounds incredibly slow, but I didn’t like it before that either.
Most of the times I’ve been harassed I’ve been alone and the only person around has been my harasser.
DKM: Not a woman, but thanks for playing. 🙂
I’m cuddling with my kitty on a pillow and engineering a database. What does DKM make of that?
Oh heavens! I do hope that database is cute and fluffy, katz!
Here’s the thing, Bro. If a woman says she has been harassed — that is, subjected to harassment or creepy behavior — there are three possibilities:
A: She was harassed, there is a strong consensus that what happened to her was harassment/creepy; if such a thing can be described as “objective,” she was objectively harassed.
B: She had the subjective experience of harassment, whatever the consensus may be.
C: She made the whole thing up.
I take it your assertion is that if A happens at all, it is so rare as to not matter. So do you think it’s typically B or C?
If C, what do these women have to gain from this deception?
If B, how is that different from A, and why does the difference matter?
@Hershele Ostropoler
“I have no trouble believing that an MRA who says his ex-wives were money-grubbing gold-diggers is accurately reporting his subjective experience; doubt only sets in when he generalizes to all women.”
What does someones position on any subject have to do with the facts of an event? Why none at all of course. He can’t be robbed blind by a gold-digging skank because he generalizes about women? This level of stupid coincides nicely with feminist dogma.
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“However, given what a rape accusation entails, yes, I do doubt that people are accusing people of rape just for the lulz.”
What about revenge, attention, missed homework, late getting home, profit? There’s a million and one excuses, pick one. And why not for lulz? We got some girl down in atlanta last year whose under that blessed age of consent. On her facebook page she says she’s 19. She has sex with men and then has them sent to prison. Two men are now in prison for statutory rape. Just for lulz! I can just picture twelve Hershele Ostropoler’s in the jury and another as the judge. Poor little princess needs to be protected from her lie’s and choices.
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“I’ve seen no evidence for and some evidence against the proposition that courts and the justice system are “pro-feminist” relative to society at large.”
Oh a feminist telling us the system isn’t feminist enough. Shocking! Citation needed showing us how the system isn’t feminist skewed. Do try to include men having no reproductive rights, men have to fight for equal custody, men die of everything more then women yet all monies go to womens health. How about the good old draft. You mean to tell me women have all reproductive rights, all child custody rights, an assload of women only laws, quota’s in every realm of society, pretty much all charities are a womans only club, but the ladies just can’t seem to get drafted? You girls ain’t trying hard enough.
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“That’s wrong, or at least very, very imprecise. There’s a broad range of activities that it should be obvious the person on the receiving end will find creepy/harassing.”
Well since women aren’t a monolithic block when it’s convenient, and every woman is different. Every woman may have a different idea of what constitutes harrassment. If we obey every rule of every woman no man can ever speak or look at a woman.
Are you being stalked every day by the same person for months at a time as the bad man yell obsenities at you? That’s harrassment. If some guy yells, “Hey bitch, nice ass, ya wanna fuck.” That ain’t harrassment. You have the freedom to walk away or yell back.
Women prancing about in next to nothing or painted on jeans are begging for sexual attention. Well you got it. If that attention ain’t what you pictured, who cares. And for the women who don’t dress like that but still get treated like that, tough cookies. Since most women do dress/act like that, and all the rest support a womans right to act like that, you’ve made your collective bed of acting like animals in heat, now go lie in it.
A man can’t tell a woman, “put some clothes on you look like a two dollar hooker.” Why that’s blasphemy, you can’t tell a woman how to act. Well same thing goes for men, you can’t tell a man how to act. That’s equality.
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“That’s probably sometimes true, though the perception is almost certainly born of experience.”
No man should ever care what any woman percieves as a slight to her precious feelings. Do women as a whole care what every man percieves as a slight to his feelings? Of course they don’t. A womans feeling don’t mean shit, they really don’t. I’ve been called every name in the book by the gang. Women don’t give a shit what they say about men, so why should any man care what a woman, (haha), thinks?
Half the gang has some deviant S&M, pissing, slut blogs going on right now, but the snowflakes melt if called a foul slut. C’mon ladies, half the shit you write would make a sailor coming out of a whorehouse blush. You wanna run with the big dogs in the land of equality, you got it, no special treatment, no gimmie’s, nothing extra.
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You’ve yipped and yapped like a well trained pavlovian feminist, now go scamper back behind Ozy’s soiled skirt for a well earned pat on the head and a, “you’re such a good boy!”
@ozymandias42
“Most of the times I’ve been harassed I’ve been alone and the only person around has been my harasser.”
Has anyone ever followed you around for months at a time continually hurling insults at you? If that hasn’t happened, you’ve never been harrassed.
It’s a good thing Slavey is, he assures us, smart enough to understand the difference between “each woman is a unique individual, just like each person of any gender is a unique individual” and “it is impossible to generalize about humans ever in any way,” and to further understand that the first can be true without the second being true.
I’ve been called every name in the book by the gang
No, you haven’t. Not even in aggregate. I’ve called you willful, and intentionally obtuse. I pointed out things you did, and characterised them as stupid.
Lots of things have been said about you, based on what you have written and they have been justifiably harsh, because you have written some vile things.
But you think it’s some sort of war. Must suck to think that and be losing
Hi, NWO! I’m still waiting for you to tell me how choosing to have sex exclusively with my partner makes me disloyal to him.
Oh dear, women are wearing tight jeans! Shield your eyes from the horror! Even if women really do wear see through shirts and micro mini skirts, that still doesn’t give other people the right to harass them. If you don’t like what women wear, then tough cookies.
NWO: Women prancing about in next to nothing or painted on jeans are begging for sexual attention. Well you got it. If that attention ain’t what you pictured, who cares. And for the women who don’t dress like that but still get treated like that, tough cookies. Since most women do dress/act like that, and all the rest support a womans right to act like that, you’ve made your collective bed of acting like animals in heat, now go lie in it.
Sauce for the goose. There are men who rape, and all the rest of them haven’t been able to stop it. They rape women who wear modest clothing, and they rape old women, and they rape children.
And the rest of men have to accept that they allowed it, and so they too must accept that they could be seen as potential rapists.
Your logic, your condition. If you don’t like it, stop rape. Until then… you are a potential rapist.
Apparently, there is a trend among teenagers in my country that I noticed sometimes ago: they wear their trouser really low, lower that I thought would be possible for it not to fall, and the goal seem to be showing as much as they can of their underwear. (no skin, though)
So, I guess my question is, are those people sluts? Should they ask the other gender what’s not too slutty to wear?
Oh, I forgot to mention it, but that’s only boys that I’m talking about.
@Hershele Ostropoler
Late breaking news in liberal-mania.
Skantily clad white girl, after updating her S&M blog on proper masturbation techniques using a rabbit is spoken to by a man in an elevator at 2 AM. When interviewed she said, “He seemed creepy and I felt uncomfortable!” World stunned that a woman felt uncomfortable. Biden demands action so no woman will ever feel discomfort. Efforts for manditory education of men to avoid creepy behavior underway.
NWO: Citation needed but that’s great news. One more bit of the battle in which Feminist are one-upping the men like you: going for the “zero-sum” you think we should be fighting for.
Yay TEAM!
/sarcasm, except for the need of citation.