Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
I like hats too.
I have a stetson, a leather porkpie; with a broad-brim, a winter Tilley in black wool, a bowler, a leather flat cap (renaissance, not a modern style snap-brim), a black silk opera hat, a number of berets (both military, and civilian; with unit crests, or brooches, depending) a number of military hats (boonie hats, patrol caps and garrison caps, in several camoflage patterns), and a peaked cap to go with my Dress Blues. and a number of knit/crocheted “watch caps”. and the like.
I like dressing well. I have tails, waistcoats, slacks, jackets, overcoats, dress uniforms, Victorian middle class (a truly glorious green tweed jacket), and a set of upper class Elizabethan, as well as the usual run of trousers, jeans and shirts.
I need to get some kilts.
“He does plan to kill you when the cyber-fluffies are ready.”
See, that’s the part I’m still waiting to hear, because they were innuendo but he never actually stated it. And I’m ready to believe that he believes that once sexbots are a real thing, feminists will all be alone and sad and will be gone in a generation. I’m definitely not sure about it, but at this level of hatred I basically take him at his word: why someone who admit to desire to enslave half of the world would suddenly be ashamed of saying what he thinks? Is that the line he wont dare to cross, or is it simply because it’s part of his secret plan?
Well, that’s the thing about Meller; he won’t even fully own up to the slavery thing. It’s all “How dare you suggest I meant slavery when I said women shouldn’t have the ability to act or think independently of their men!”
I think he’s trying to create plausible denial because he knows slavery and genocide are kind of a hard sell to people who believe in actual peace and freedom. That and he’s a weaselly little shit who doesn’t want to be held responsible for the real consequences of what he’s proposing.
Kyrie: See, that’s the part I’m still waiting to hear, because they were innuendo but he never actually stated it.
He did, it was some time ago, and he pretends he didn’t really mean it, but he’s never refuted it.
Sorry, I am tired. He’s never repudiated it. If women don’t come to their senses and enjoy their slavery, the only recourse will be to kill most of them when the sexbot is perfected.
I’m jealous of you all and your awesome wardrobes. I wish I had style, but I wouldn’t even know where to start 😛
I do wear a lot of newsboy caps, though. I have a black one, a brown one with a flower pattern, a brown one with a fuzzy lining, a navy one with brass buttons, and a houndstooth one.
“I’m strongly in favor of hats with animal ears in general. I was out for a walk the other day, and I saw a girl wearing this great big fuzzy grey hat with wolf ears. It kicked ass.”
I am also in favor of plushy animal pillows (as in, a throw pillow that looks like a cartoon animal and is made out of soft fleecy materia;). I’m currently trying to decide which one I want. Panda, frog, or bear? What say you, manboobz gang? The panda is the cutest, but the frog is the prettiest color.
Wow, this is still going? Okay.
Sure, except I never said “it never happens”. I said that in my experience, it happens a lot more rarely than certain people claim. Let me put it another way, not that it makes a difference: If during my daily life I see incidents of women being harassed or creeped on once a month, and then a bunch of women tell me it happens to them every day, and these women happen to be outspoken feminists on what is essentially a man-bashing site, I’ll take it with a grain of salt.
Would you give me the benefit of the doubt if I said I’m being falsely accused of rape and harassment every day by women just for lulz? Would you give the benefit of the doubt to an MRA who claims all his ex-wives were money-grubbing golddiggers? What about those who say they were cheated and screwed by the pro-feminist courts? And if not, aren’t you denying or minimizing someone else’s experience?
Nope, just insider/outsider herd mentality.
Meller: You know that shrikes are cute little birds that look a bit like sparrows, yes? Kinda takes the sting out of the insult.
Counterpoint: shrikes are also called “butcher birds”. And deserve the moniker.
Bee: The Late Great Edward R. Murrow. That was aired on Thanksgiving Day. A great piece of work.
Broseidon: Sure, except I never said “it never happens”. I said that in my experience, it happens a lot more rarely than certain people claim.
Right, you didn’t say it never happens, just that people who say it does are liars. That’s so much better.
Would you give me the benefit of the doubt if I said I’m being falsely accused of rape and harassment every day by women just for lulz
If you are saying women are doing it, “just for lulz”… probably not. Because, based on my personal experience and observation, that happens a lot less often than some people say.
Then again, contrary to you, I have also done some investigation, and the studies say that people making false rape allegations are actually pretty rare; and the studies on harassment say it’s pretty common.
That both of those are consistent with my experience is also a factor.
But you don’t have anything on your side of the argument but, “I say so”, and ad hominem about, “outsider/herd mentality.
Pterygotas: Counterpoint: shrikes are also called “butcher birds”. And deserve the moniker.
Facts on shrikes.
Behavior
Shrikes are known for their habit of catching insects and small vertebrates and impaling their bodies on thorns. This helps them to tear the flesh into smaller, more conveniently-sized fragments, and serves as a cache so that the shrike can return to the uneaten portions at a later time. This same behavior of impaling insects serves as an adaptation to eating the toxic lubber grasshopper (Romalea guttata). The bird waits for 1–2 days for the toxins within the grasshopper to degrade, and then can eat it.
Shrikes are territorial, and these territories are defended from other pairs. In migratory species a breeding territory is defended in the breeding grounds and a smaller feeding territory is established during migration and in the wintering grounds. Where several species of shrike exist together competition for territories can be intense.
Shrikes make regular use of exposed perch sites, where they adopt a conspicuous upright stance. These sites are used in order to watch for prey items and to advertise their presence to rivals.
Breeding
The shrikes are generally monogamous breeders, although polygyny has been recorded in some species. Co-operative breeding, where younger birds help their parents raise the next generation of young, has been recorded in both species in the genera Eurocephalus and Corvinella as well as one species of Lanius. Males attract females to their territory with well stocked caches, which may include inedible but brightly coloured items. During courtship the male will perform a ritualised dance which includes actions that mimic the skewering of prey on thorns and will feed the female. Shrikes make simple, cup-shaped nests from twigs and grasses, in bushes and the lower branches of trees.
So they seem like many birds in their feeding habits, and are quite the caring family birds in their breeding/rearing of young, which puts paid to the counterpoint.
Man, my wardrobe consists amost entirely of Dockers and Polo-type shirts. I’d like to dress well, but, with two small children, it seems unlikely for at least the next few years. Right now, my sartorial goals are much more modest–i.e., clean clothes every day.
It’s more of a question of perception. Creepiness and harassment can’t be measured in any way except people claiming it’s how they feel. It’s not lying per se, probably just oversensitiveness with a touch of confirmation bias. Some women have a certain perception of the world around them (i.e.,, there are lots of creeps who harass them). Some men also have a certain perception (a lot of women are superficial, lying, golddigging whores). For some reason you accept the former and reject the latter. This shows your own bias and inability to be objective.
I’ve seen how you respond to studies around here. Any study that disagrees with your views is automatically dismissed as unsound, untrustworthy etc. But even if that weren’t the case, what study shows creepiness? How do you measure it? It’s subjective. It has to do with how the victim felt. And if you accept that as valid, you have to accept that everything people feel is valid, aka the claims and grievances of MRAs. But we both know you have no interest in that.
If I don’t have anything, why do you feel compelled to keep responding to me?
And, yes, most women I’ve known (and I’ve known quite a few) have reported being harassed in some way at various points in their lives–and an astonishing number have reported being raped. Typically, these disclosures are done in confidence, often hesitantly or reluctantly, so I have little reason to doubt their veracity.
Creepiness and harassment can’t be measured in any way except people claiming it’s how they feel
What would you consider to be legitimate harassment? o_O
And what do you think is happening that women THINK is but isn’t? o_O
Some women have a certain perception of the world around them (i.e.,, there are lots of creeps who harass them). Some men also have a certain perception (a lot of women are superficial, lying, golddigging whores).
There’s a difference between believing that “lots of women are…” and if lots of women HAVE lied to them, or lots of creeps HAVE harassed them xD
But then again, before we continue… what do YOU think is legitimate harassment, or do you think everything is just in the eye of the beholder so we shouldn’t even bother with this discussion because I might not exist at all? xD Are we going to do the “that depends on your definition of “is” ” thing too? xD
It’s more of a question of perception. Creepiness and harassment can’t be measured in any way except people claiming it’s how they feel. –
When I was on the subway, and the guy grabbed my ass and literally bit my ear, that was pretty clear. When I was on the bus, and the guy was masturbating and singing about how I looked like Drew Barrymore, that was pretty clear. You know us girls and our Feelings… Nothing more than… Feelings.
These things just happen to women all the time. You have no idea our ability to just brush it off and keep going.
Holly Pervocracy commented:
” Yeah, (spelled to spearhafoc’s personal preferance), but isn’t men being sexually frustrated a concern? Doesn’t men’s sexual frustration worldwide meet your criteria as a worldwide problem? Also, men are visually stimulated, that nature thingy.
Men’s sexual frustration is their personal problem. I’m happy if they find sexual satisfaction, but frankly, indifferent if they don’t. Also, there’s porn.”
Holly, NY Magazine recently had an article about how with the rise of online porn and sexbots it is giving men too many options and even diminishing men’s libido. Online Porn is causing men to detach from their partners and ruining intimacy. Here is the link to the article
http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/index2.html
Years past, single or unmarried men had few options. Now with a huge industry of online porn and soon to be sexbots, men can have a multitude of sexual outlets to indulge.
The problem as the article NY Magazine article implies is too much porn can cause too many men to remain bachelors or be unable to perform in a real face to face relationship with a woman as opposed to some type of porn or sexbot.
http://nymag.com/news/features/70976/index2.html
I’m going to guess right now that if we (which is going to happen) start sharing our experiences with street harassment and assault and other such things, he’ll just say that we’re misinterpreting, exaggerating, mis-remembering, or that it’s all isolated anecdata, or etc etc xD I’m sure the Asianphiles who’ve creeped on me are just nice guys who have a preference, and the chasers are just misunderstood and I’m a horrible over-sensitive person xD
But I might be wrong! 😀 Let’s see 😀
Broseidon: It’s more of a question of perception. Creepiness and harassment can’t be measured in any way except people claiming it’s how they feel. It’s not lying per se, probably just oversensitiveness with a touch of confirmation bias.
Way to move the goalposts. Now you are talking about “creepiness” the feeling when the discussion before was actually about harassing behavior being described as creepy.
Deimos said Broseidon, the point of my comment is that these were behaviors I saw that did label these particular men as creepy.
You said Not towards me personally, but I think I’d notice it in social settings at least once in a while. Even if I was oblivious most of the time, if it happens as commonly as you and your friends claim, you’d think I would still see enough cases to make me go “hmm”. And yet I can count such instances on the fingers on one hand, with the perpetrator immediately drawing anger from everyone present, men and women alike.
So we (you included) are talking about things people do. You even admitted there are behaviors which you will accept as being creepy; so creepy you expect them to be roundly condemned by anyone who sees them.
When, however, people tell you that they have had such things done to them, and no one has said shit about it, you say, “well then it must not have really happened.”
The studies I’m talking about are about harassment in public places. About stalkerish behavior.
And I, having eyes to see, and some sensitivity, have seen both of those. The guy who follows someone around a conference all weekend, being just inside her physical space, making frequent incidental/accidental contact. It’s creepy. It’s also not something which one can really complain about, and which is hard to intervene in; even if she has said it’s creeping her out.
Taking him aside and giving him a talking to isn’t going to do much, and being loud about it makes one look like a lout; and just a touch creepy. So he gets away with it, and people like you blithely assert that such things are, “no big deal, even if they do happen.”
If I don’t have anything, why do you feel compelled to keep responding to me?</i
Because to not respond is, sadly, to make it seem as if you were, in some small way, correct in your blithering nonsense.
Heroicman – I guess I don’t care, because against all predictions I’m in a relationship. I’m not gorgeous or mega-charming or rich or extra-lucky and I’m in a relationship. So all this talk about “YOU’LL BE SINGLE FOREVER BOOGY BOOGY BOOGY” really has no effect on me.
(Also, if my experience with online porn and sex toys is any indicator, most people will play with their sexbots and have relationships, either simultaneously or at different stages in their lives.)
Broseidon –
Nope! If someone touches another person sexually and they did not ask for it, that’s objectively creepy! If someone tells another person that they have to submit to sexual speech or touching to keep their job, that’s objectively harassment!
Feelings certainly do matter–as in other crimes; the difference between stealing and gifting is also a “feeling”–but there are things that qualify as creepiness and harassment that don’t have anything to do with fuzzy wuzzies.
Holly, NY Magazine recently had an article about how with the rise of online porn and sexbots it is giving men too many options and even diminishing men’s libido. Online Porn is causing men to detach from their partners and ruining intimacy.
…
The problem as the article NY Magazine article implies is too much porn can cause too many men to remain bachelors or be unable to perform in a real face to face relationship with a woman as opposed to some type of porn or sexbot.
Um… okay, I’ll ask the question… so? o_O
Let’s pretend this is all true.
What’s your point?
Therefore we should just spread our legs for the guys that want us to because otherwise they’ll become porn addicts and detach from reality? o_O
Sounds kinda like you’re holding yourself (and your gender) hostage xD “No really, I’ll break out the porn! I’ll DO IT! I’LL DETACH FROM REALITY! I WILL! I’M NOT JOKING! I WILL!”
There are other boner-reducing options that I’ve explored that aren’t mentioned in the OP.
One is chemical (or surgical) castration, but I’ve found that many countries require a court order in order to have these procedures completed on an individual.
Another is becoming a total hermit and just living in a cave in the middle of nowhere (cue “caveman” jokes please). Maybe join a monastery?
However, I still get a boner a minimum of once per day. I usually have to just “work it out” traditionally, but I suppose a prostitute would be helpful at times. I’ve never been to a prostitute, and I’m really reluctant to begin down that slippery slope. It could be major expensive too, especially if one employed a prosti every day!
Women just don’t know how easy they have it! I guess about 10 or 15% of men have it easy as well. The alphas, you know? But when a large majority of the male population is marginalized and disenfranchised from the social structure of the society, it becomes a human rights issue. Aren’t feminists supportive of human rights?
@Pecunium A troll moving the goalposts? I’m AGHAST AND APPALLED!! SHOCKED!!!!
xD
Broseidon: Some women have a certain perception of the world around them (i.e.,, there are lots of creeps who harass them). Some men also have a certain perception (a lot of women are superficial, lying, golddigging whores).
How are these two things different?
Ah… a huge number of women have reported being harassed; and that society lets it go on, with almost no actual opprobrium or remonstrance to the offenders, while the men who say such a huge percentage (some even to the point that they claim it is true of all women) have but a small number of cases to point to. I’ve been involved with women for close on 30 years. I can’t say, in my experience, that I’ve seen much (if any, to be honest) lying and gold-digging. As to superficial… sure, but so are men, and I’d say the ratio is about 50/50.
So the apples, they are still not like the oranges.
Is it creepy to use the personal information on my check to follow me home and show up on my doorstep even though our only previous interaction had been me paying you for my takeout? I say yes.
Is it creepy to use a crowded bus as an excuse to shove your crotch an inch away from my face while you smile down at me? I say yes.
Is it creepy to open your car window to meow at me or lick through your V’d fingers as you drive past me while I’m on my daily walk? I say yes.
I’m rather plain looking and wear very basic jeans/t-shirt, and I still get followed by strangers and catcalled. With the exception of the first example, none of these men were innocently trying to catch my attention or ask me out. They were putting me in my place to make themselves feel powerful. That is the essence of street harassment, and yes, it happens all of the time. Many men do not even notice these interactions because they are privileged enough to not have to deal with it, just as white people in general do not have to deal with questions of race.