Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
@magpie: yes I am. I later became another character and I ate human meat! (which was actually pork meat so i, the person, didn’t eat because it still was meat) Including my husband, which is a proof all women want to kill men. And then I die again.
Yeah, Crumbelievable, the power in a date rape is the power to say “I don’t care what you want, I want to have you and I will.”
Well, usually both are. Rape isn’t aggressive sex, though; it’s sexualized aggression. When you look at the data, so-called “date rapes” aren’t a case of sex gone wrong. It’s when a predator specifically seeks out prey and takes advantage of them in order to fulfill a need that may be related to sex, but is different from what non-rapists think of when they’re talking about sex.
NWO, if porn, hookers and sex toys can’t satiate a man’s “animal urges”, what makes you think a sexbot will be any different? If porn and masturbation haven’t prevented rape, neither will sexbots.
But if you rape someone, you believe that your right to have sex with them trumps their right to say no to you. That’s a position of power.
I think the thing that separates rape from crimes like theft or murder is that those latter ones happen for many reasons. You could steal money because otherwise you’d starve to death, or murder someone in self-defense. That isn’t about having power, that’s about being forced into a position where you have no other choice. It’s the opposite of power. On the other hand, barring very weird circumstances where you are forced at gunpoint to rape (in which case you’re being raped, as well, because you’re clearly not okay with having sex), there are no extenuating circumstances to rape. As has been mentioned before, sexual frustration can be relieved in other ways (or even ignored! It’s not fun, but it’s possible!).
” A womans sexuality is simply herself, a mans sexuality is his actions, status, wealth, talent and such.”
Wow!!! It’s like you know me better than I know myself!
Speak for yourself, Milkman. There are more men in the world than just you, you know.
The way I look at it is: you can always have an orgasm. (Or if you can’t, another person probably can’t help you with that.) You want an orgasm? Masturbate. You want an orgasm while receiving some very specific stimulation? There’s a world of sex toys, porn, and if necessary sex workers out there to help you with that.
(Also, a lot of rapists are guys who can get laid. Quite a lot are married or have a girlfriend.)
I think rape more often comes from wanting the ego/status/affirmation/whatever of sex, than wanting the sex itself. It’s about the bragging rights of “winning” sex, of “getting” laid, not about the sensual experience. It’s about being able to say “I am so dominant no mere woman gets to tell me no.”
Kyrie – zombie! One of our plays at school had popcorn floating in cocacola to stand in for stew. It was surprisingly tasty (to 8 year olds)
NWO, you are wrong again. In many hunter-gatherer societies, the best hunters and hardest-working men tend to end up married to the best gatherers and hardest-working women.
Why is it that evolutionary psychologists and their fans, which include most MRAs in my experience, never cite hunter-gatherer groups or indeed any non-industrialized nation as examples? Oh, yeah, that’s right; it’s because using examples outside of their extremely limited experiences would consistently prove them wrong.
OK. I think I understand a little better. Thanks.
I am a woman and I like cute butts, Q.E.D.
Okay, fine, then I’ll program my sexbot to be talented and dominant and athletic. Gosh.
Sure, it won’t really be a success object, but if men can get over the fact that their sexbot isn’t really attracted to them and doesn’t really experience pleasure when they fuck it, I think this will be a relatively minor thing to work around.
Always wondered what NWO’s definition of sexuality was. He really means something like ‘sex appeal’
NWO, do you really think no men find Prime Minister Gillard attractive?
All this sexbot talk is reminding me of all the stuff I do with my boyfriend that isn’t sex.
The last time we were together, we spent maybe 20 minutes total having sex. And we spent an entire day together. We played games together, we hung out with friends and socialized as a couple, we ate together, we worked on projects together, and at the end of the night we slept together all curled up and warm.
I suppose a sufficiently advanced robot could replicate all that, but calling it a “sexbot” is misleading. To fully replace another human you need to make a relationshipbot. Sticking genitals on it would be an afterthought.
I don’t really think this is so. Rapists tend to like to talk/brag about their conquests, but it doesn’t seem to be the end goal. According to David Lisak, anyway, the typical predator nonstranger rapist is angry at women, needs to dominate women, sees intimate violence as normal, believes rape myths (like “she was asking for it,” “it’s not rape if you don’t use a weapon,” etc.), sees women as objects, and lacks empathy.
…And it’s pretty misandrist, frankly, to claim that men only care about sex and would be totally satisfied with a brainless sexbot so long as it was sexy. Most men aren’t nearly that shallow, and you’d have to have some fucked-up ideas about the male gender to think so.
“The last time we were together, we spent maybe 20 minutes total having sex. And we spent an entire day together. We played games together, we hung out with friends and socialized as a couple, we ate together, we worked on projects together, and at the end of the night we slept together all curled up and warm.”
Me too! I miss the cuddles when he’s gone for the week. *sniff*
Some of the men in David’s posts seem to think that having sex with someone is shameful, humiliating to their partner. IBTP
Bee – Okay, yeah, I see what you’re saying, although I also think there’s a lot of overlap there. Either way it’s more about being in control of sex than about the sex itself.
“Some of the men in David’s posts seem to think that having sex with someone is shameful, humiliating to their partner”
I very much get that vibe too. They think their cock is a weapon!
@thebionicmommy
“What does that have to do with anything? If a man wants to see naked people, he can purchase adult material to look at.”
Much better to have a 3d artificial being kicking about. You’d have random interaction, which would improve dramatically and quickly if it was affordable.
STDs would be a thing of the past.
Rapes, no matter what is said here would definitely almost dissappear.
Who would risk sexual harrassment? For what reason. The power to sexually harrass? C’mon!
No risk of unwanted pregnancies.
Condoms would no longer be needed for diseases or pregnancies, just robot maintenance.
Certainly if a woman starting yelling at her bf, he’d just default to his sexbot. Just walk away, no need for DV. No need for primary aggressor laws.
My honest guess is at least 90% of men would default to their sexbot. Occasionally trying the “real thing.” Once backed into a wall, he certainly can’t retaliate to even speak up for himself, he’d simply default to his sexbot. Eventually giving up on the “real thing.”
NWO, who do you think buys all those vibrators? And do you know the history behind them? And what the hell does “A womans sexuality is simply herself” mean, anyway?
“My honest guess is at least 90% of men would default to their sexbot.”
I demand a survey!!!
NWO, why do men currently get married and date and whatnot when a RealDoll is only a couple thousand bucks?
It’s almost like they value the partnership of a real human.
But honestly, I’m not invested in this one. If guys want sexbots, fine, they can have them. I don’t want to date a guy who sees me as a second choice anyway. I’m not about to do that “OH NO DON’T LEAVE ME I’LL BE GOOD” thing that MGTOWs always seem to be waiting for. If in some science-fiction future men all leave women for sexbots, um, sucks to be them?
You should be careful what you wish for, though. A huge population of women with no children and no home life could be pretty formidable in business and politics.