Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
Holly: but psychiatry is a feminist invention that tells all women they’re right and women they’re wrong!
(couple counseling for gays and lesbians couple must be really hard in that reality)
*and tells men they’re wrong!
oups.
Kyrie – I think it makes the most sense if you don’t count rapes that occur as a result of flaunting to be really rape, because the flaunting was basically consent. A woman who cries rape after flaunting-consent is making a false rape accusation just because she regrets her flaunting-consent.
Ugh. I just grossed the hell out of myself. But I think that’s seriously how it works.
@Holly Pervocracy
“I wouldn’t object to sexbot ownership–in fact I don’t object to RealDoll and Fleshlight ownership–but I also don’t promote it, because it doesn’t solve any major world problems. If the only reason men ever harmed women was “need something to ejaculate in,” well, the invention of the hand should have solved that. I’m pretty sure that even men with lots of places to ejaculate can still be sexist.”
Yeah, (spelled to spearhafoc’s personal preferance), but isn’t men being sexually frustrated a concern? Doesn’t men’s sexual frustration worldwide meet your criteria as a worldwide problem? Also, men are visually stimulated, that nature thingy. I mean your in a poly thingy. If every woman goes with a poly thingy that leaves 1/2 the worlds men shit outta luck.
Even artificial tenderness and companionship is better than none at all. Isn’t it? You all love your kittens out here, that same cat will eat your face off if you died, it’s nothing but a pseudo-companion.
Here’s a question. Say sexbots advanced at a super fast rate and became really cheap and quite lifelike in a short period of time. Five years after that happened, what do you think the number of men would be who simply defaulted to their sexbot as oppossed to real women?
“@Spearhafoc
” There would still be rape in a world with sex-bots. Rape isn’t about sexual attraction, it’s a power play.”
Do you have empirical evidence for this assertation? Or perhaps, citation needed.”
http://iranscope.ghandchi.com/Anthology/Women/rape.htm
NWO: Dearheart, I use a machine for sexual pleasure! I *heart* my vibrator.
I am mocking DKM NOT for collecting dolls (and I don’t think he does in fact masturbate to/with them), but for implying that us real life shrike harpiest wimminz are so terrible that men all over are being driven to GTOW, taking refuse with pets, and dolls.
Reading comprehension: it’s a good thing!
Oh, you’re right, silly me. So that mean we can round up all rapes claims to buyer’s remorse. I wonder if it also works for men.
“that same cat will eat your face off if you died,”
I wouldn’t care. I’d be dead =P
Even people will eat their dead companions if there is no other food.
Now that’s a creepy comment!
NWOslave: so poly women are doing a good deed to society? (less frustrated men) Or are they slutty whore, which it is?
@magpie: we actually did a theater play two years ago about eating your dead companions when they’re the only food. And I was the first to die!
Setting aside his misspelling of “preference”, he obviously still doesn’t get it.
Still, I am mildly amused by the mental image of NWOslave actually meaning “yea” when he says it. It makes his posts seem more theatrical.
Men’s sexual frustration is their personal problem. I’m happy if they find sexual satisfaction, but frankly, indifferent if they don’t. Also, there’s porn.
Poly thingies can have multiple men. My boyfriend’s other girlfriend has another boyfriend. (Does that make sense? I mean, there are 2 men and 2 women total in our little circle. So nobody’s getting left out!)
Probably not too many. Or it would be a phase, a stopgap between relationships. I think most people value human connection–the ability to have someone you genuinely care about and who genuinely cares about you–as a more important trait in a lover than “has genitals.” Even if a sexbot can be programmed to say “I CARE ABOUT YOU, HUMAN,” I don’t think we could really believe it.
But if I’m wrong, that’s okay, because I’m sure in that case there would also be male sexbots. If sexbots make people genuinely happy and truly do fulfill our need for partnership, that’s fine. I can have a sexbot to make me genuinely happy too.
@Holly Pervocracy
Well that was quite the paragraph explaining how rape is about power. I feel so illuminated now. Let’s try this.
Theft is about the power to steal.
Kidnapping is about the power to abduct.
Murder is about the power to kill.
All crimes involve a power to harm another. That doesn’t mean that crime is about power. It means the crime is about whatever the crime happens to be. A theft can’t happen without stealing. The crime is still theft, not the crime of power.
@Kyrie at least you are not a cannibal, then :]
I’m looking for the “Don’t Date Robots” propaganda film from Futurama, but it doesn’t seem to be online in its entirety. *Sadface*
After a while, if sexbot become that cheap, they will probably be like porn and (normal) sex-toys: something you can have even if you’re in a relationship, something that doesn’t stop you from getting new relationships and something you can use with someone else. And there will be slutty bot-on-bot porn!
Jumping WAY back in the conversation here, but yeah, heroicman’s “the MGTOW movement isn’t a monolith” talking points are almost word-for-word identical to Samuel’s (if memory serves), albeit with better grammar.
So either Samuel has created a sockpuppet, or he’s found himself a Padawan.
Yeah, (spelled to spearhafoc’s personal preferance), but isn’t men being sexually frustrated a concern? Doesn’t men’s sexual frustration worldwide meet your criteria as a worldwide problem?
It’s sad when people are sexually frustrated, but nobody is entitled to the use of another person’s body no matter how sexually frustrated zie is. If someone can’t find another person to be a sex partner, zie can always masturbate. Problem solved.
What does that have to do with anything? If a man wants to see naked people, he can purchase adult material to look at.
I’m not sure what to make of the notion that “rape is about power, not sex”. I understand that rape is often used as a tool of domination (in prisons, of course, and also war time) but in situations like date rape, is there no sexual aspect there? I think both power and sex can be involved, depending on the situation.
I have absolutely no authority on the subject, but that’s just a question that’s bothered me for a while.
Darn, I meant to put a blockquote around the first paragraph, which were NWO’s words, not mine!
Crumbelievable, think about the times you’ve been sexually frustrated but haven’t raped. I reckon the idea of proving you have power over the other person in necessary for rape. But that’s just my feeling, I haven’t read up on these things.
@Holly Pervocracy
“But if I’m wrong, that’s okay, because I’m sure in that case there would also be male sexbots.”
Male sexbots would be totally irrelevant other that for gays. It’s that nature thingy again. A womans sexuality is simply herself, a mans sexuality is his actions, status, wealth, talent and such.
This is easily seen by simple observation. Men don’t find a woman of power, talent, wealth, ect. more sexually desirable than an impoverished pretty young girl. Women on the other hand are drawn to talent, power, wealth and status. Women write letters to inmates on death row., Women flock to musicians. Women chase athletes. Women chase men of status and wealth.
Sexbots for women would be a complete failure.
Owly–that’s not how evidence works. I realize you’re not used to it, but “oh yeah!” is not how to interact with science. Theft, kidnapping, and murder may or may not be about power depending on the circumstances, but this study found that getting sexual satisfaction is secondary at best. Of course, I realize you think that male sexuality is fundamentally rapacious, so I don’t know how anyone could debate you, as you have already defined the opposing argument out of existence.