Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
*gasp* NWO when did meller ever say he uses his dolls to masturbate? You should apologize this instant for assuming that!
NWO, are you a Biblical figure? Your source even had a sound clip of the pronunciation of “yea” (yay), which is different from what you clearly meant unless you were born in King James’s England, which is “yeah” (which rhymes with bleh). Making a mistake like that is not what makes you stupid; having a mistake pointed out to you and you using a source that contradicts you to prove that you’re right is what makes you stupid. And an asshole.
NWO: We mock Meller because his idea of a good future is one in which women are sex slaves, fuck toys or dead. (or possibly just dead and replaced by cyber wives, I’ve never been really clear on that) I, personally, don’t give a shit how he gets off, but I really, really, REALLY object to his plans for me.
“yeah” rhymes with “stair” 🙂
I can’t make “yeah” rhyme with anything with my accent! I just went with what an online rhyming dictionary said, because I couldn’t figure out a reasonable homophone, either.
Stupid yeah. And orange. And silver.
Is DKM a gender now? How do you know if you’re DKM-gendered?
Hint: it’s not. Mocking DKM does not automatically implies mocking all men.
Yes, like I said, it’s a word you’d find in the King James Bible, but not much in modern diction. “Yea” is an archaic form of “yes” – one that’s not used much anymore, and certainly not in the casual sense you used. I know you don’t have sound on your computer, but if you’d hit the pronunciation button on that dictionary site, you’d hear that it’s pronounced “yay”, not “Yah”, as I’m sure you intended.
Unless you’re trying to come across like you’re playing Moses in a remake of The Ten Commandments, I’d suggest you switch to “yeah” in the future. If you don’t, you’ll be making a mistake, despite it being pointed out to you as a mistake. If that happens, you’ll look like an idiot. N’est-ce pas?
Milkslave, “yea” is indeed a word that’s in the dictionary. Congratulations. It’s just not used in the way that you’ve used it. Merriam-Webster illustrates this a little more explicitly than the dictionary you chose: “(1) yes —used in oral voting; (2) more than this : not only so but —used to introduce a more explicit or emphatic phrase.”
Anyway, that’s a little beside the point. What I really want to say is this:
That someone uses porcelain dolls to attain sexual satisfaction is a little wacky. But it’s the woman-hatred that accompanies this usage that takes it to a different, mockable level. Of course you won’t understand this, because you’re a ridiculous woman-hater yourself, but trust me — it’s not that nuanced: Rare sexual fetish? Probably OK. Hate women and want to enslave them? Never OK. If you use your rare sexual fetish to illustrate your hatred of women, that’s totally mockable.
” Hate women and want to enslave them? Never OK.”
That’s where you probably lost NWO.
@Holly Pervocracy
Say sexbots become a reality. What if most men decide it’s cheaper, easier, less of a hassle, no hoops to jump thru. Maybe, their socailly awkward, don’t have the time, can’t spare the effort, or whatever reason.
It’s not their withdrawing from society. They’ll still interact with men just as much. Maybe more so, trading behavior chips and such.
Just think, no more rapes.
No man would ever be sexually frustrated ever again.
You’ll never have to complain about sexual harrassment, ever. What man would do that if sexbots became quite affordable and of course they’d all be supermodel material.
It’s not like a man has any right to reproduction. Can a man sue for a live child as oppossed to an aborted one? Of course not.
Even the live ones aren’t really his? They can be taken away at any time.
Women would never have to worry about abortions ever again.
Women would never have to worry about divorce.
Women would never have to DV.
Women would never have to rape.
Women would never have to worry about sexual assault/harrassment.
Shouldn’t women really be promoting sexbots? All your troubles seem to stem from men. What’s the downside?
Also funny: a man explaining that in his perfect world all women should fit in traditional gender roles, than casually bringing in the conversation that his favorite hobby is one that is traditionally very feminine.
There are people on this board who are into bondage; there are others that find encouraging men to gain weight is a turn on; I’m into redheads and large breasts (unfortunately common fetishes).
We don’t mock the people with these kinks because the people involved don’t demand that the entire world conform to their/our desires, whether they like it or not. Meller’s thing with dolls is mockable because he wants to force all women to act like his dolls.
@DKM Of course dear, it’s nothing to do with appearance but just the dolls’ winning personality!
Now why don’t you go play with your fluffy dolls while the rest of the world trundles on our merry way!
NWO, we, or at least I, have no problem with sexbots; But are you saying we should be the one working to make them real? That sound so lazy!
I thought rape and sexual harassment were just figments of feminist propaganda. Saying those things actually occur is dangerous talk to a lot of MRAs.
NWO –
That’s fine with me. I doubt “most” men will do it, at least full-time (I can see a lot of guys using it as a stopgap during their teenage or college years but then growing out of it), but whichever ones want to, that’s fine.
A man who wanted to feel like a Big Important Man In Charge at his workplace, that’s who. Sexual harassment isn’t just about unfulfilled horniness. It’s also (probably mostly) about putting female coworkers “in their place.”
See, this would make sense if we actually hated men. Unfortunately for your theories, we don’t.
We hate men who harm women. But there are men who don’t harm women, and we don’t want to get rid of them. (We also hate women who harm women, and sexbots definitely aren’t going to help with that.)
I wouldn’t object to sexbot ownership–in fact I don’t object to RealDoll and Fleshlight ownership–but I also don’t promote it, because it doesn’t solve any major world problems. If the only reason men ever harmed women was “need something to ejaculate in,” well, the invention of the hand should have solved that. I’m pretty sure that even men with lots of places to ejaculate can still be sexist.
There would still be rape in a world with sex-bots. Rape isn’t about sexual attraction, it’s a power play.
That said, I have no moral objection to the potential existence and use of sex-bots.
@ithiliana
“Now why don’t you go play with your fluffy dolls while the rest of the world trundles on our merry way!”
Don’t forget to mock every woman who has ever use a machine for sexual pleasure. In the spirit of equality.
Crumbelievable, I don’t think he’s seriously acknowledging these things. It’s seems to be a kind of a joke…
@Spearhafoc
” There would still be rape in a world with sex-bots. Rape isn’t about sexual attraction, it’s a power play.”
Do you have empirical evidence for this assertation? Or perhaps, citation needed.
@Spearhoc: I once dated a redhead with very large breasts. I wish I could be of help and hook you two up.
Crumbelievable – It’s amazing the whiplash you can get between “rape almost never happens, women just make it up” and “the reason rape happens all the time is because women keep flaunting their sexuality.”
Spear – Yeah. The power thing is really important here. Think of the difference in bragging value and ego boost between telling your buddies “I nailed the head of the cheerleading squad last night” and telling them “I nailed my left hand last night.” That difference is the main reason for rape, not this ridiculous idea that men just desperately need to ejaculate and forgot how to masturbate.
Sure, as soon as you’ve presented proof that we mocked men ingeneral for using sex toys or liking dolls, not just mocking the man who wants all women to be either:
– sex slave to their husbands
– sex slaves in brothels
– in jail
– dead.
Okay, here’s the American Journal of Psychiatry talking about the role of power in rapists’ motivations:
http://ajp.psychiatryonline.org/article.aspx?Volume=134&page=1239&journalID=13
“The authors ranked accounts from 133 offenders and 92 victims for the dominant issue and found that the offenses could be categorized as power rape (sexuality used primarily to express power) or anger rape (use of sexuality to express anger). There were no rapes in which sex was the dominant issue; sexuality was always in the service of other, nonsexual needs.”
Holly: how about: “rape almost never happens,most of the claims are fake and it would never ever happen if it wasn’t for women flaunting their sexuality.”
That all makes sense. Somehow.