Consider the plight of the poor, horny Man Going His Own Way. He may have convinced himself that women are icky monsters out to highjack his sperm and steal his money. He may have convinced himself we live in a femi-fascist gynocracy out to destroy men and civilization generally. Yet his disobedient penis can’t stop thinking about sex with these evil, filthy women.
And so he turns to his fellow MGTOWers to ask for help: what can I do, my brethren, to stop popping so many boners? Ed1974, a newbie on MGTOWforums.com, puts it this way in a plaintive recent post:
[M]ore than almost anything I want to be woman-free and contentment to live a woman-free life. For more or less all of my adult life I’ve played in to society’s demands that I have to have a woman, and preferably a pretty woman, in my life. I’ve done a lot of Internet dating and every friggin time I get involved with a woman I regret it. Either I just want to get some ass and the woman wants a lot more than that and makes a mess out of my life when I leave, or I end up spending way more money than I ever wanted to spend just to have her grace my life with her presence, or something else that fucks up my life. The bottom line is I sincerely want to live a life without the desire to have a woman in my life.
So Ed is taking steps to quell his desire:
1. I downloaded a firewall blocking all dating sites.
2. I’m going to read as many books on misandry that I can.
3. I’m going to take myself out of situations where I can get in trouble, such as bars.
4. I’m going to fill free time that I would normally spend out with some woman with something productive.
I also want to remember the bad times where I’ve had women who I’ve tried to get out of my life end up stalking me for months on end. And to be perfectly honest, I want to remember the time I got the clap from some skank. I also want to remember that I should be thankful that I’m not a baby daddy and I’ve never had any false rape charges against me.
Alas, but poor pretty Eddie is afraid that this won’t be enough, and begs the assembled MGTOWers for “other steps I should take.”
Site admin Nacho Vidal suggests he go another way entirely:
My advice would be to scrap the ‘steps’ you’ve taken and take your wanking up a notch! Also, have you looked into hiring a whore or two once a month?
Others jump in to endorse the masturbation-and-prostitute strategy, and encourage him to cultivate his hatred of women by reading from the ample selection of stories on the site about evil, depraved, disgusting women. As fairi5fair puts it:
I go to college and still get the biochemical reactions that play into the mate-spawn-die script when I see a 20 year old with a candy apple ass and perky tits, but my growing understanding of women in general helps to make it less urgent and more negligible everyday.
A few others have more novel advice. Our friend womanhater suggests a trip to the mall:
Sit in the food court, and spend a good three hours there. Leisurely sip on some coffee, and simply watch.
See all the soulless men being dragged around by cupcake holding her bags. You’ll see the total absence of hope in the eyes of men in this trap. You’ll see his brain calculating the immense debt being run up, and yet he knows he’s fucked.
Pay attention to the stupid whores in training aged 15 or so, and simply listen the absolute shit running out of their mouth. Watch their behavior and internalize that every twat you see aged 25 was doing the exact same shit a decade ago.
Every time I start to feel my ghosting resolve start to slip, I go to the mall for a few hours. Clears my fucking head every time.
NewWorldMan suggests a sort of mind-over-boner strategy:
Sounds like BS, I know, but telling myself (actually saying the sentence in my head at the moment of attraction): “I control my dick, my dick doesn’t control me — actually works for me.
Frederick326 suggests an anatomy lesson:
Read up on vaginas. They’re fucking disgusting.
And fairi5fair also links to the (somewhat NSFW) video below. I’m not sure what exactly it’s supposed to accomplish other than to remind us that Japan leads the world in baffling entertainment product:
…Was the apostrophe thing on purpose, here? :p
I know, right? It’s like he’s taunting us …
You stated these things. You did not prove, or even support, them. You’d have to give the actual number of gay vs. straight mass murderers and pedophiles, and a source where you got that number, and you did no such thing.
Sooo……NWO’s definition of proof=”I said it!”
Wow!
I googled “Are gays violent?” and couldn’t get a straight answer. There is no definitive proof.
As for communication vs. intelligence, I’d say that DKM for example is a fairly effective communicator when he wants to be — he tends to be long-winded and has some weird affectations but I’ve read some perfectly coherent statements outta him. But I don’t think he’s terribly smart, or that he’s as intelligent as many people I know to whom writing comes less easily. MRAL in contrast might actually be fairly bright (and if he got over the college douchebro dumbassery, he might turn out to be downright intelligent!) but his comments are kind of juvenile and he apparently has never looked up “gash” in a thesaurus, so his communication is a bit sub-par.
MRAL is socially unintelligent.
Blessed gods, NWO, people here dislike you because you tromp into a feminist space, insult us and our friends and families, eat all the food from the fridge and shit on our nice rugs. And expect us to apologize to you for pointing out the fact that you shat on the rug.
NWO, you are the reason we can’t have nice things.
And expect us to apologize to you for pointing out the fact that you shat on the rug.
Especially since it really tied the room together.
And the best part of all is when the owner of said feminist space tells NWO to go find somewhere else to play until he can figure out how not to shit on our rugs, NWO gets all huffy! Because being asked to not defecate on the decor is somehow oppression! There may or may not be bad impersonations of Dennis the Constitutional Peasant! With horrible abuse of commas and apostrophes!
I don’t give a flying fuck if you are insulted, NWO. Everything I have said to or about you was warranted. You are a hateful little piss ant, I have no duty to not dislike you.
You also seem to believe rather strongly that you have no duty to not dislike and insult me and mine, as you do it on a regular basis.
I think I have stated before that I am not a fan of insult based on “intelligence” because that is a vague category and many methods of measurements are poorly designed and used to uphold privilege (such as IQ tests). They are also simple insult or ad hominem, not a genuine argument against a person’s position (of course, sometimes simple insult is what people are going for). Still, they can also be hurtful to people who are not engaging in bad or irrational behavior, especially people with disabilities who have had such terms thrown at them.
It is worth noting that “willfully ignorant” and even “anti-intellectual” are not intelligence based insults, but rather behavior and viewpoint based insults.
Would this be the same Broseidon who called me a “pussy-whipped beta” the other day?
No, it can’t be – there must be more than one.
CB: nicely done.
Now that he’s on this apology kick, I’m waiting for milkslave to apologize to everyone here who he’s misrepresented and otherwise insulted. It’s gotta be … just about everyone, innit?
NWO, don’t give us this “I deserve an apology” bullshit. You visit Manboobz because you love love love the attention–the more negative the attention, the better. You come here looking for a fight, and we give you one. It’s too late to act all outraged innocence now.
Bro, edited to clearly reflect what he says he meant:
Citation needed.
Bro:
I believe that you’ve never masturbated in public, and that you don’t know anyone who’s told you he masturbates in public. I don’t think that’s enough evidence to conclude Demios is making it up.
You know why no one’s ever told you they’ve done it? Either because they know it’s creepy, or because they don’t and you choose not to associate with such people.
Bro:
Do you understand why your “personal knowledge and observation” may be incomplete as far as what women experience, and why “that never happens” is not usually an appropriate response to someone talking about a personal experience?
I don’t know if all creeps are given the label for a good reason, but I’m willing to give people who aply the label to others the benefit of the doubt, because why make it up? In another thread I asked for details of the Secret Feminist Plot Against Men, and none have been forthcoming, so I’d going to provisionally dismiss the hypothesis that feminists destroy men for the lulz or for points they can redeem for prizes or anything like that.
As or the destructive power of the word “creep,”well, I may have a skewed idea about it because I live in New York, populous and anomie-filled, and I assume it’s easy to find people who don’t know you’ve been determined to be a creep. Is it different in small towns?
Bro:
It’s not going to happen to/near you as often as it happens to/near six or seven people in aggregate. Even if people will do it where a man (you) can see them, there are six or seven of them.
Bro:
Yes, and you’re refusing to. On that basis. That’s what “if I don’t see it then it’s not real” means.
I mean, disregarding the source for a moment, why do you assume your personal observations are a good source of information on things that happen when people like you aren’t around?
Bro’s hits just keep on coming:
Obviously a conspiracy to hide the sky’s true color, probably for some nefarious purpose.
Bro:
Citation needed. Who has told you they know your life better than you do? Quotes, please.
Bro:
Citation needed. Bashing must be of men qua men, not anything they do or say.
Cassandra:
And then insists that astrophysics is impossible.
pecunium:
I don’t even think that’s true. There’s a grey area where attractiveness-to-her can make a difference, but some behaviors are creepy no matter how appealing the person is. And some are not however icky the person is.
Mutatis mutandis for other gender combinations, of course.
Slavey:
I think it is safe to say that you and, e.g., Holly are working with vastly different knowledge bases, albeit with some overlap.
Pecunium:
He’s gaslighting, but he’s doing a bad job of it, because, as you said, anyone can go back and look.
Holly:
I think he interprets challenges to his facts as personal insults. Looked at that way, Pecunium’s and Flib’s comments — catalogues of him being factually wrong — were exactly equivalent to “NWO is a stinkyhead because he just is” and thereore no one has challenged his facts without insulting him. The conversation, from his perspective, is:
Other person: “You’re a stupidhead.”
Slavey: “Tell me how I’m factually wrong.”
Other person: “I just did, when I said ‘you’re a stupidhead'”
There’s a feminist blog that I feel has substantially the same dynamic, interestingly.
Kathleen:
But from his perspective, that’s perfectly reasonable, because it is insulting to be called the sort of person who shits on the rug.
Maybe this poor soul is simply confusing “women” with modern women or feminists. If this is the case, he should lose little time in finding something better, either more traditional and less harsh, bitter and competitive castrating women elsewhere, or perhaps (don’t laugh!!) paintings and photographs of women in earlier times, collector dolls, or (if he is artistically gifted) using modern computer graphics and camaras to create his ideal “little lady lovely”.
If he is really sick of modern women, he may try to get some temporary satisfaction from petting and nuzzling a pet, either a soft, fluffy, plush one, or a new “cyberpet” that can even respond to him in elementary ways, snuggle, purr, obey simple commands (hey, they may be superior to modern women right there Ed1974) and so on…They are not (yet) sexually compatible with human males, so your imagination will have some work to do, but you are womanless anyhow, so you have nothing to lose!
There are also electric and audiovisual mastabatory aids, which can, if properly used, enhance the experience.
Feminists!! Your days, at least as feminists, are numbered! Tradional “little lady lovelies” are coming back, whether through biological or electronic/cybernetic means. It won’t be next year,or even next decade, but…
He who laughs last, laughs best!
Johanna, that’s silly. He asked for an apology for an imaginary crime and you answer by asking an apology for something he actually said. No, you should have asked an apology for having said that kittens are the devil’s spawn. Now, that would make more sense.
Btw, NWO, how does that work? For what I gather, your claim is based on the idea that if a man rape a man, the rapist is gay. I don’t know if your number would be accurate if we accepted that, but let suppose it would be.
So, what if a man rape a woman, then gets thrown in jail. What if he rapes a man in jail, is he gay? Is he bi? What if he gets out of prison, and only have sex and/or wish to have sex with women, is he gay, bi, straight?
If he’s still gay or bi, does that means prison turned him gay? If he’s straight again, does that means you can be ungayed? Is gayness something so changing you can get it and lose it in a few months? I’m confused.
Okay, let’s try a little ‘personal observation’ exercise. By my own personal observation, China does not exist. I’ve never been there. Oh, I’ve seen pictures, and eaten food that some people claim is Chinese, but since I’ve never seen actual food in China, I have no real way of knowing of it exists or is a collective delusion of a few billion people. Now, can you see what stupid claim that is? Just because I’ve never experienced something does not automatically make it false or non existent.
“Feminists!! Your days, at least as feminists, are numbered!”
You don’t seem to get that we are HAPPY you don’t want us! Seriously! Begone!
Oh, look. Meller opened his pie hole. Now someone gets to clean that world salad off the rug. The BRAND NEW rug we just bought to replace the one NWO shat on. Maybe we should pen the trolls somewhere outside, if only to make clean up easier?
So we’ve got Troll Number One demanding apologies for pointing out that he was wrong, Troll Number Two telling us vagina are meat jars, and Troll Number Three explaining with far too many exclamation points how our end is nigh.
God, this would be the worst episode of The Dating Game since the one with the serial killer.
DKM doesn’t seem to get that if men (or rather, a very select population of men) retreat into the comforting arms of their cyberlovers, women will still exist. It’s not like we just evaporate because no one is dating us. Even if we’re all doomed to spinsterhood, we’ll still want jobs and stuff.
“Feminists!! Your days, at least as feminists, are numbered! Tradional “little lady lovelies” are coming back, whether through biological or electronic/cybernetic means. It won’t be next year,or even next decade,”
Dear god NO!